H110 temperature sensitivity

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  • John from MD

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    May 12, 2005
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    This summer, I worked up some nice loads for my 300 BO (supersonic 18in carbine gas). The loads were both jacketed and cast using H110 powder. At 100 yards from the bench, my jacketed bullets would cut each other and the cast loads would give me 3/4 to 1 inch groups.

    Fast forward to today. It was 33 when I was at the range and the gun and ammo sat in the cold all night. The cast bullets were giving me 2 inch loads and the jacketed opened up to 1 inch or so. :sad20:

    I never thought of H110 as a temperature sensitive powder but it sure is. I proved it out by heating the ammo with hand warmers and running a fast 10 rounds to heat up the barrel. If I did this and shot single rounds still warm, the groups shrank to close to where they should be. If I loaded up a 20 round mag, you could see the groups spread as the lower ammo in the mag started to cool off.

    Well, I guess it is time to work up some LiL Gun loads for the winter and save the H110 loads for the summer.
     

    John from MD

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    I use a NOE 160 GC made for the 300 Blackout. They are gas checked, PC'd by me, sized, weighed and sorted. I have never seen groups like this before. Since I was able to tighten them up by heating up the ammo, I am pretty sure it is the temp that was causing the issue. I looked in my log when I got home. It appears that this is the first time I have shot the 300 BO in freezing weather.
     

    Doco Overboard

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    Townsend Whelens book Small Arms Ballistics Design and Use Vol. II reads of a series of tests that were done to determine the effect of temperature difference and warming the barrel and ammunition were specifically mentioned during cooler periods. Certain loads of course with various powders often developed pressure concerns in higher temperatures that would have ordinarily be deemed safe otherwise.
    As the firearm/ammo warmed up the groups shrank back to what was previously recorded in the log for when they were initially developed. Seems like you and he figured out the same thing regarding smokeless powders but many years apart.
    There was a specific method that was used to raise the ammo temp to a degree that was useful for the tests might have been warmed near the body or artificially somehow I don't remember. I think the Dupont or Western powders at the time were the most temperature stable, there were other examples of propellants involved but a reference to the actual text would be most useful. Friction regarding the bullets/barrel combo may have been part of the solution~explanation at the time the information was compiled.

    Sequence of the remaining ammunition left in magazines and behaviors of the same are mentioned elsewhere in the same book or maybe its in volume one.

    Happy testing this year :)
     

    atblis

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    May 23, 2010
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    I am wondering if some magnum primers might solve your problem. Hodgdon's data for 300 AAC/BLK uses a magnum primer with H110. In general, a magnum primer seems to be preferred for H110.
     

    John from MD

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    It really isn't a problem, I was just asking out of curiosity. I'll use the H110 loads in the warmer weather and shoot my 7.62x40WT (uses 1680) in the cold weather. The 1680 doesn't seem to vary between seasons.
     

    Seabee

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    Oct 9, 2011
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    I think most any ball powder is temp sensitive. I shoot a lot of H-110 and always use magnum primers in my loads and it is the most accurate powder in my 454 and 22 Hornet. H-414 I found to be temp sensitive also. I agree a chrono test would be a good idea. Doesnt cast bullets foul gas systems?
     

    John from MD

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    I Doesnt cast bullets foul gas systems?

    I have not seen a problem. I use gas checks and sometimes I powder coat but not all times. If I shoot uncoated lead bullets, the tail of the bolt will get some lead buildup as will the back of the BC. The carbon scrapper cleans out the BC and a pass over a wire wheel cleans the bolt. This isn't really a lot of buildup and I only clean it out every 1000 rounds.
     

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