Any evidence? Denial = Death

cpo · Mar 6, 2019

I realize this is a long shot, since it's typically difficult to prove a negative, but:

Is there any evidence anywhere that exists proving that someone who tried to exercise their constitutional right to protect themselves or their family with a firearm, but was denied (IE CCW permit denial, or unreasonable HQL denial), where that person or their family was later killed or experienced bodily harm because they were unarmed? Or knew they couldn't carry because it was illegal, and something bad happened.

I feel like this would be a strong counter-argument for the "if we could just save one life with a piece of legislation" stance. What if legislation COST one life. Is it worth it?

HERE ARE EXAMPLES CONSOLIDATED FROM THIS THREAD:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/no-one-helped-her-nj-woman-murdered-by-ex-while-awaiting-gun-permit

KevinK · Mar 6, 2019

Prize to you for a horrible thread title. :thumbsup:

cpo · Mar 6, 2019

KevinK said:
Prize to you for a horrible thread title.

It's going to truncate in a few more characters anyway... but hovering on the title gives you all the context you need.

I fixed it for you.

KevinK · Mar 6, 2019

3% evidence.

In two weeks.

FrankZ · Mar 6, 2019

I understood what the thread was going to be about from the title.

randomuser · Mar 6, 2019

there is, let me see if i can find it on google...brb

ok, back now.

Having trouble finding it. It's not a denial = death, but the story (my details are fuzzy so looking for it on the web is proving hard)
Woman in restaurant with family. No guns allowed. She puts gun in car. Gunman comes in. father killed more people too. Again, Don't quote me, just use these details to try and find the video of her if you are looking.

Not a denial = death, but not carrying = death

sorry I could not be of more help, out of the office now, so searching on a phone is harder than pc.

Sundazes · Mar 6, 2019

KevinK said:
3% evidence.

In two weeks.

In a car in a cul de sac covered with snow.

cpo · Mar 6, 2019

FrankZ said:
I understood what the thread was going to be about from the title.

To be fair... I fixed it. It originally just said "Any Evidence?"

cpo · Mar 6, 2019

I did find this: https://www.foxnews.com/us/no-one-helped-her-nj-woman-murdered-by-ex-while-awaiting-gun-permit

Batt816 · Mar 6, 2019

randomuser said:
there is, let me see if i can find it on google...brb

ok, back now.

Having trouble finding it. It's not a denial = death, but the story (my details are fuzzy so looking for it on the web is proving hard)
Woman in restaurant with family. No guns allowed. She puts gun in car. Gunman comes in. father killed more people too. Again, Don't quote me, just use these details to try and find the video of her if you are looking.

Not a denial = death, but not carrying = death

sorry I could not be of more help, out of the office now, so searching on a phone is harder than pc.

I remember hearing about this a few years back.

randomuser · Mar 6, 2019

not the one I was originally looking for but this one is more in tune with what I think you are looking for

*** winner winner chicken dinner***
https://www.nj.com/camden/2015/06/nj_gun_association_calls_berlin_womans_death_an_ab.html
"According to reports, Bowne submitted her application for a gun license on April 21 and went to see where the process stood two days before her death. Reports also indicate the police department had not yet received the results of her fingerprinting."

I googled
"man denied ccw and was killed"
and it was the first thing that popped up.
I'm sure you will be able to find more examples.

rambling_one · Mar 6, 2019

randomuser said:
there is, let me see if i can find it on google...brb

ok, back now.

Having trouble finding it. It's not a denial = death, but the story (my details are fuzzy so looking for it on the web is proving hard)
Woman in restaurant with family. No guns allowed. She puts gun in car. Gunman comes in. father killed more people too. Again, Don't quote me, just use these details to try and find the video of her if you are looking.

Not a denial = death, but not carrying = death

sorry I could not be of more help, out of the office now, so searching on a phone is harder than pc.

Similar to the Killeen, TX massacre. MSI sponsored a visit to the MGA by Suzanna Hupp, daughter of parents killed in that diner and major player in turning TX into the gun state it is today. Ms. Hupp’s testimony here in MD fell on deaf ears. In fact several committee members were joking and otherwise occupied during her rivoting commentary.

rseymorejr · Mar 6, 2019

randomuser said:
there is, let me see if i can find it on google...brb

ok, back now.

Having trouble finding it. It's not a denial = death, but the story (my details are fuzzy so looking for it on the web is proving hard)
Woman in restaurant with family. No guns allowed. She puts gun in car. Gunman comes in. father killed more people too. Again, Don't quote me, just use these details to try and find the video of her if you are looking.

Not a denial = death, but not carrying = death

sorry I could not be of more help, out of the office now, so searching on a phone is harder than pc.

rambling_one said:
Similar to the Killeen, TX massacre. MSI sponsored a visit to the MGA by Suzanna Hupp, daughter of parents killed in that diner and major player in turning TX into the gun state it is today. Ms. Hupp’s testimony here in MD fell on deaf ears. In fact several committee members were joking and otherwise occupied during her rivoting commentary.

Luby's Diner?

randomuser · Mar 6, 2019

rseymorejr said:
Luby's Diner?

That's it. Thank you

https://youtu.be/6sEYGcXSmpQ

Blacksmith101 · Mar 6, 2019

Here is a Washington Post article about Hupp:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...799aa18/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a8143916eca5

Batt816 · Mar 6, 2019

KevinK said:
Prize to you for a horrible thread title.

????

KevinK · Mar 7, 2019

Batt816 said:
????

The original thread title said only:

Any Evidence?

Any evidence? Denial = Death

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