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Old March 14th, 2018, 10:36 AM #21
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Sounds like I will hold off on the purchase until I have my own apartment. Thank you for you're help though

Seems like the best course of action for you and your friend. Good luck.
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Old March 14th, 2018, 10:40 AM #22
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It could also be that people are particularly sensitive to breaking one of many very confusing laws, and figure they can come here and maybe get answers based on the law, not based on misguided fears.

If he isn't transferring ownership, his friend does not need a triple locked super secret box to be legal... Assuming he is otherwise not precluded from owning a firearm. Why does that answer have to have all kinds of 'but you probably shouldn't' surrounding it.

Our laws are tough enough without adding even more restrictions than already exist...

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Nowhere in my reply did I say “but you probably shouldn’t”. And he asked the question...I didn’t. And your assuming a lot about his friend that’s not even been stated. What’s your beef?
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Nowhere in my reply did I say “but you probably shouldn’t”. And he asked the question...I didn’t. And your assuming a lot about his friend that’s not even been stated. What’s your beef?
I was truly not trying to be argumentative, and should have been more specific when referring to other responses than yours.

His initial question asked if he could legally do it. Many of the answers seemed to indicate that it was automatically illegal without an HQL, and that's just incorrect.

If people want to come in and ask (or even troll) for information (mis-information), I feel they should be given the answer to their question. He seemed to be the subject of misinformation before he came to the forum, based on his assumption that what he proposed was not legal, and that misinformation was further reinforced in several posts.

That's my only beef, and it's not with you. Apologies if it seemed otherwise.



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how about keeping it in your car? you can bolt down a handgun safe/box or get a TSA legal one with steel cable you can thread thru something structural in your car/trunk. i have one similar to below and benefit is you can also use it if you want to fly with your gun.

not a merrylander, but think as long as handgun is unloaded and separated from ammo and certainly locked in trunk, you'd be legal. sure someone will speak up if that is not legal. now, you prob don't want to drive in DC that way.

https://www.brownells.com/shooting-a...rod105225.aspx

and regarding family not wanting guns, take them out to the range one day, show them how fun it is, and safe. can start with skeet shooting maybe, or rent a .22. if they see how fun shooting is, and that you follow very strict safety protocols, perhaps they'll relax or change their views on firearms, and perhaps even change their voting and mindset from anti to pro-gun.

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Old March 14th, 2018, 11:19 AM #25
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how about keeping it in your car? you can bolt down a handgun safe/box or get a TSA legal one with steel cable you can thread thru something structural in your car/trunk. i have one similar to below and benefit is you can also use it if you want to fly with your gun.

not a merrylander, but think as long as handgun is unloaded and separated from ammo and certainly locked in trunk, you'd be legal. sure someone will speak up if that is not legal. now, you prob don't want to drive in DC that way.

https://www.brownells.com/shooting-a...rod105225.aspx

and regarding family not wanting guns, take them out to the range one day, show them how fun it is, and safe. can start with skeet shooting maybe, or rent a .22. if they see how fun shooting is, and that you follow very strict safety protocols, perhaps they'll relax or change their views on firearms, and perhaps even change their voting and mindset from anti to pro-gun.

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This would be illegal in MD UNLESS he was transporting the handgun under one of the allowable activities. (Range, to a gunshop, etc)


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Basically you would be loaning your firearm to your friend which "should" be fine as long as your friend already has a handgun license. If not, it's a big No No.


Please stop posting incorrect information. There is NO requirement to have an HQL to be in possession of a handgun. The HQL is for PURCHASE of a handgun.
The one thing that the OP would need to know is that nobody in the friend's house would have access if they are prohibited.
Just read more, sounds like the OP is going to wait.


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Surprised nobody mentioned storing your UNLOADED weapon, without ammo, in a bank safety deposit box. You have control and access. Usually pay a quarterly fee. See article.
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Please stop posting incorrect information. There is NO requirement to have an HQL to be in possession of a handgun. The HQL is for PURCHASE of a handgun.
The one thing that the OP would need to know is that nobody in the friend's house would have access if they are prohibited.
Just read more, sounds like the OP is going to wait.


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A lot of the issue is confusion over the term “possession” and “receive”. Technically if you store a weapon at a friends house he received it and is in possession of it. A slippery slope to tread on. What if that friend had the police come in on an entirely different matter and found the weapon? Would you want to be that friend and take that chance with all the other options available? Just wondering.
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Please stop posting incorrect information. There is NO requirement to have an HQL to be in possession of a handgun. The HQL is for PURCHASE of a handgun.
The one thing that the OP would need to know is that nobody in the friend's house would have access if they are prohibited.
Just read more, sounds like the OP is going to wait.


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This controversial law was Governor O’Malley’s gun control package, Senate Bill 281, Firearm Safety Act of 2013 and passed on February 21, 2013 by a 7-4 vote in the dark of the night.

Page 13, 5-101
(O) “Handgun Qualification License” means a license issued by the secretary that authorizes a person to purchase, rent, or receive a handgun.

Page 16, 5-117.1.
(A) A dealer or any other person may not sell, rent, or transfer a regulated firearm to a purchaser, lessee, or transferee unless the purchaser, lessee, or transferee presents to the dealer or other person a valid regulated firearm qualification license issued to the purchaser, lessee, or transferee by the secretary under this section.
(B) A person may purchase, rent, or receive a handgun only if the person: (1) Possesses a valid handgun qualification license issued to the person by the secretary in accordance with this section; and (2) Is not otherwise prohibited from purchasing or possessing a handgun under state or federal law.

There's an old legal saying “everything is legal unless prohibited”.
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This controversial law was Governor O’Malley’s gun control package, Senate Bill 281, Firearm Safety Act of 2013 and passed on February 21, 2013 by a 7-4 vote in the dark of the night.

Page 13, 5-101
(O) “Handgun Qualification License” means a license issued by the secretary that authorizes a person to purchase, rent, or receive a handgun.

Page 16, 5-117.1.
(A) A dealer or any other person may not sell, rent, or transfer a regulated firearm to a purchaser, lessee, or transferee unless the purchaser, lessee, or transferee presents to the dealer or other person a valid regulated firearm qualification license issued to the purchaser, lessee, or transferee by the secretary under this section.
(B) A person may purchase, rent, or receive a handgun only if the person: (1) Possesses a valid handgun qualification license issued to the person by the secretary in accordance with this section; and (2) Is not otherwise prohibited from purchasing or possessing a handgun under state or federal law.

There's an old legal saying “everything is legal unless prohibited”.
If you look under the FAQ section on the MSP site, under the HQL drop down, it clarifies that an HQL is only needed to purchase, rent or transfer.
Lending a gun to someone without an HQL is not inherently illegal.

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