Zorros
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Anyone receive a tele call from ATF to remind them that an 03 license does not permit them to engage in trade or business ( in 15+ yrs of my 03 i have never sold a gun)?
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Zorros
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In person. Had a nice chat. Said an ad inhad run drew a complaint, although ATF had no issue with what i was doing.
Nope. Interesting to say the least.
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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So you were running ad(s) attempting to sell gun(s) ? Of questionable nature ?
Running an ad to sell a questionable gun with your home #? Sounds like a phishing scam to me! Hope you didn’t have your address also.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Did the ATF Agent say C&R firearms were covered under ITAR and that selling them to Canadians, who would then sell them to ISIS fightters, is against the law?...
Just to remind FFL-03 (C&R) folks. The ATF can call to setup an appointment to review your bound book and at their request your C&R firearms in this log book. The interview can be at your home or the nearest ATF field office at a time you both agree to. You do not and should not give out any information to a cold caller on your telephone. There is no way for you to know if the other person on the line is an ATF agent without verifying their identity in person.
Be safe out there.
Be safe out there.
Zorros
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Hardly. I have never sold a gun. The ad was for “old military rifles wanted”.
Certainly not illegal for a person with a C&R to, you know, actually collect firearms. Seems strange to me that such an add would attract federal attention.
Zorros
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One more thing. I don’t use my real first name in the ad ( which i have run on and off for 7 years) or provide my last name or anything but my cell. She said she was aware i had an 03. She said nothing wrong with the ad, had a complaint and was calling to remind can’t deal with an 03. S t r a n g e.
Very strange. SOP is for ATF to interact FTF.
If she calls again to arrange a FTF visit, politely remind her in person that buying as many as you can afford to collect at no point constitutes being an FFL dealer. FFL dealers are primarily in the business of selling.
If she calls again to arrange a FTF visit, politely remind her in person that buying as many as you can afford to collect at no point constitutes being an FFL dealer. FFL dealers are primarily in the business of selling.
Zorros
Ultimate Member
Agree on both counts.
As an 01 and 03 FFL holder, I never had an inspection and only had one trace request. From talking to people around the country over the years, it appears that new agents are the ones who usually try to inspect 03 collectors because they are not familiar with the regulations.
I suggest that any 03 FFL holder who gets a request for an audit, offer to take your collection and books down to their office in Baltimore. Don't forget to ask them where their security detail will pick up your vehicle to escort you in to the city.
I suggest that any 03 FFL holder who gets a request for an audit, offer to take your collection and books down to their office in Baltimore. Don't forget to ask them where their security detail will pick up your vehicle to escort you in to the city.
Just our of curiosity, where did you run your ad? On-line? Print magazine?
This is plausible. If they have a complaint they probably feel the need to at least contact you. A phone call is about the least invasive thing they could do and to me shows they aren't particularly worried about you. I think if they were concerned you'd be getting audited at a minimum. Does make one wonder who is filing the complaint though. Or maybe someone in the .gov may have seen the ad and just wanted to make sure no one was buying guns to resell illegally to gangs or baddies overseas, etc. Remember when gun people say "old military rifles" we tend to think of bolt actions and percussion rifles. The non gun person may instead be thinking of old AK's and AR's.
Zorros
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Free circulation community paper. Good crossword puzzle. As i wrote, on and off for years. Every once in a while something good...an 18th cen blunderbus. An 1809 prussian.
Zorros
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Yes. I wondered who might complain and why. Gun store? Anti gun crowd? She was very nice. Polite. Articulate. Detached. I explained i had a good understanding of gun laws.
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