Now that Stun guns are legal in Md.

knastera · Jul 6, 2017

Redcobra said:
How does this compare to the Ruger one.

https://www.sabrered.com/pepper-spray/ruger-pepper-spray-gun

It's just Saber Red in a gun form. Saber Red is 50,000 SHU. Kimber is 4,000,000 SHU. The Ruger has a range of 10 feet. Kimber's range is 13'. Ruger is an aerosol that can lose pressure. Kimber uses a non-pressurized capsule. I've shot both. Ruger/Saber Red is like a water gun speed wise. The Kimber shoots over 100mph.
Again, Saber isn't bad, it just isn't the best.

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knastera · Jul 6, 2017

Brychan said:
Thanks everyone, I took what I learned here and YouTube video's. Sat down with the women folk, we watched a couple of videos on stun guns, the kimber blaster, and sabre pepper spray. Then discussed the options. They decided on the sabre spray, the videos on the kimber blaster all showed that the first shot went low as it fired from the bottom chamber, it the one video were it hit the guy in the chin with the first shot and he didn't have any reaction or slow down made them decide on the sabre. I guess that it is better than nothing. Of course their main defense is to be aware and avoid certain areas.

It's good that you made a choice. I will tell you personally that when I shot a bad guy with my Kimber, I was aiming for his nose and I hit him an inch to the left of his nose. He ran away very quickly.
One other difference between the two is the dye in the Saber is UV while the dye in the Kimber is visible with the naked eye.

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knastera · Jul 6, 2017

Blaster229 said:
I always thought the kimber shot pepper balls. Guess not

I have a Tippmann TiPX that shoots pepper balls. Those have PAVA in them. Way hotter than OC.

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callidus · Jul 6, 2017

Blaster229 said:
Puhleez. A woman in a dark parking lot using spray, etc... On some thug, she needs to worry? She obviously didn't go out of her way to find someone to assault. A woman does not have to try and run away before engaging.
You tell your loved ones that. Mine will stick with their will to survive.

This. I'm no lawyer, but it's about disparity of force (at least, in most states I've been in). Unless the attacker is a lone, unarmed female then there's no disparity of force with your wife/daughter defending themselves. If the other person is male, there's more than one, they're armed, etc. with the capability, opportunity, and intent to do serious bodily harm it's better safe than sorry.

Mr H · Jul 6, 2017

knastera said:
It's good that you made a choice. I will tell you personally that when I shot a bad guy with my Kimber, I was aiming for his nose and I hit him an inch to the left of his nose. He ran away very quickly.
One other difference between the two is the dye in the Saber is UV while the dye in the Kimber is visible with the naked eye.

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What is your recommendation for a replacement cycle, both for Sabre canisters and Kimber?

I buy them for the gals in the family and replace the canisters every 2-3 years, and am debating the Kimbers after 3.

All are carried, and none left in extreme conditions.

knastera · Jul 6, 2017

Mr H said:
What is your recommendation for a replacement cycle, both for Sabre canisters and Kimber?

I buy them for the gals in the family and replace the canisters every 2-3 years, and am debating the Kimbers after 3.

All are carried, and none left in extreme conditions.

I'd swap them a year before expiration. Neither unit is so expensive that it is worth the risk of going up to expiration.

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DC-W · Jul 6, 2017

knastera said:
It's just Saber Red in a gun form. Saber Red is 50,000 SHU. Kimber is 4,000,000 SHU. The Ruger has a range of 10 feet. Kimber's range is 13'. Ruger is an aerosol that can lose pressure. Kimber uses a non-pressurized capsule. I've shot both. Ruger/Saber Red is like a water gun speed wise. The Kimber shoots over 100mph.
Again, Saber isn't bad, it just isn't the best.

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Really appreciating your insight!

knastera · Jul 6, 2017

DC-W said:
Really appreciating your insight!

Glad to help. What good is knowledge if you won't share it? People on MDS have been helping me with stuff for years.

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nb4602 · Jul 12, 2017

I thought it was the TASER they just legalized ? I keep getting emails from Freestate Indoor Range about the class and gun for 499.00 .

knastera · Jul 12, 2017

Apparently, it's both. http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/05/16/baltimore-city-council-ban-stun-guns-tasers/

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danb · Jul 12, 2017

nb4602 said:
I thought it was the TASER they just legalized ? I keep getting emails from Freestate Indoor Range about the class and gun for 499.00 .

knastera said:
Apparently, it's both. http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/05/16/baltimore-city-council-ban-stun-guns-tasers/

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Generally the statutes never said "TASER" it said "electronic weapons." So bans on electronic weapons were lifted.

So, your 40Watt pulse laser is now legal too...

knastera · Jul 12, 2017

It's a "phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range." Get it right or the MDSP might confiscate it.

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DC-W · Jul 12, 2017

danb said:
Generally the statutes never said "TASER" it said "electronic weapons." So bans on electronic weapons were lifted.

So, your 40Watt pulse laser is now legal too...

More accurately, "Electronic Control Device"

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...on=4-109&ext=html&session=2015RS&tab=subject5

(3) “Electronic control device” means a portable device designed as a weapon capable of injuring, immobilizing, or inflicting pain on an individual by the discharge of electrical current.

danb · Jul 12, 2017

knastera said:
It's a "phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range." Get it right or the MDSP might confiscate it.

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Phased plasma rifles are banned. You can still buy the pulse, the lower is not interchangeable.

knastera · Jul 12, 2017

danb said:
Phased plasma rifles are banned. You can still buy the pulse, the lower is not interchangeable.

Cool. Thanks for the insight

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danb · Jul 12, 2017

DC-W said:
More accurately, "Electronic Control Device"

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...on=4-109&ext=html&session=2015RS&tab=subject5

Does an iPhone count, because a iPhone is certainly capable of injuring, immobilizing, or inflicting pain on some snowflakes.

as far as county-lkevel repeal, each county/municipality had their own code and called them something different (see for example HoCo 8.404(c) repealed of HoCo below. To create additional confusion, obviously.

https://library.municode.com/md/how..._TIT8CRMI_SUBTITLE_4WECO_S8.404RE&showChanges

knastera · Jul 12, 2017

Don't forget this lovely bit of the legislation:
"(3) the manufacturer or seller has obtained a State and federal criminal history records check of the original owner to ensure compliance with subsection (b)(2) of this section."
If you buy an ECD, the seller has to pull a state and federal background check.

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knastera · Jul 12, 2017

danb said:
Phased plasma rifles are banned. You can still buy the pulse, the lower is not interchangeable.

If I want to build a phased plasma pistol, is that OK, or does it have to be a heavy barreled phased plasma rifle?

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danb · Jul 12, 2017

definitely heavy barreled and no flash hider. Although why you want a flash hider on a phased plasma is beyond me. Flash away!

knastera · Jul 12, 2017

danb said:
definitely heavy barreled and no flash hider. Although why you want a flash hider on a phased plasma is beyond me. Flash away!

I bought the tax stamp for a plasma light suppressor. You can barely see the light when the beam hits you.

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