45 ACP/45 LC/.410 Revolver controversy?

Tylenator · May 21, 2012

I'd like my next toy to be a revolver. I was looking into something like the S&W Governor (using that for example, I don't necessarily want that specific firearm) that has the ability to shoot various types of .45 along with .410 shells. The versatility interests me.

Through starting my research I've been reading various reviews or opinions that weapons that are made to shoot .410 are impractical or made for novelty and don't last very well? I've also read that shooting the .410 shells can actually damage the pistol over time? These site has been from very opinionated people that sound like they think they know everything about everything. So its very subjective to me rather than objective.

I'm a striker-fire kinda guy, so this is a new pool I'm starting to swim in. So does anyone have any knowledge/experience with these types of handguns? Any suggestions on what you prefer and why? Thanks!

lx1x · May 21, 2012

hmm.. i dont see why a 410 would damage a pistol.. unless you are not cleaning them properly to begin with.

jimbobborg · May 21, 2012

I'd skip the Judge and Governor and find a Ruger Blackhawk Convertible with the .45 Colt cylinder and the .45 ACP cylinder. They're still made, and there's no doubting the strength of the Blackhawk.

Mooseman · May 21, 2012

They are a novelty. I have the Rossi Circuit Judge, which is the long gun version of the Taurus Judge. If you accept it for what it is, they are fine. They are fun, but nit the most accurate. They are fun.

BradMacc82 · May 21, 2012

jimbobborg said:
I'd skip the Judge and Governor and find a Ruger Blackhawk Convertible with the .45 Colt cylinder and the .45 ACP cylinder. They're still made, and there's no doubting the strength of the Blackhawk.

^This!

Jim with the win!

safecracker · May 21, 2012

Try out some different guns and pick what you like......remember this is about YOU. Keep in mind that sometimes novelty trumps practicality.......

Tylenator · May 21, 2012

safecracker said:
Try out some different guns and pick what you like......remember this is about YOU. Keep in mind that sometimes novelty trumps practicality.......

Agreed... I'm just seeking some info before I begin that

Tylenator · May 21, 2012

jimbobborg said:
I'd skip the Judge and Governor and find a Ruger Blackhawk Convertible with the .45 Colt cylinder and the .45 ACP cylinder. They're still made, and there's no doubting the strength of the Blackhawk.

Just checked it out, reviews are great! $499? I'm gonna have to go shoot one

Tylenator · May 21, 2012

I did some additional reading and I think I've answered my own question. I'll go with a 357. First round loaded will be snake shot followed by hollow point (for carry). That ruger blackhawk looks real nice

tatoocrab · May 21, 2012

nice combo blackhawk 357/9mm convertible.

adjusterr · May 21, 2012

45 ACP/45 LC/.410 Revolver controversy

You are so right about opinionated people. I have had a Taurus Judge with a 6" barrel for about three years and have shot countless rounds of both .410 and .45 LC. I have seen no adverse effects and the pistol works perfectly. Re: accuracy, last Fall I practically beheaded a groundhog in my garden, at about25' using a Winchester PDX1 shotshell. I really don't understand the negative opinions regarding the Judge. I personally am of the opinion the negative comments are coming from individuals who don't own nor have they tested a Judge revolver. I know this for a fact,I would not want to be on the receiving end of either a PDX1 load or a .45 long Colt. I have several choices of self defense pistols and the Judge is my bedside choice.

Cai · May 21, 2012

I've got a question: Why 45acp? I get the .410 and 45LC but why add 45acp? Is it because its the same diameter ans the other 2?

Also isn't there a .410 flechette round? wouldn't that be a good defence round?

Deep Creek Rock · May 22, 2012

Cai said:
I've got a question: Why 45acp? I get the .410 and 45LC but why add 45acp? Is it because its the same diameter ans the other 2?

Also isn't there a .410 flechette round? wouldn't that be a good defence round?

45 Long Colt and 45ACP use the same diameter bullet - so yes, thats why.

diesel-man · May 22, 2012

454 Casull...shoots 45LC just like a 44 mag shoots 44 special. Have no idea if you can get half moon rings to shoot 45acp.

454 Casull would be great for hunting hogs in Florida on your next trip to Disney World...
Just another option...

:party29:

Kinbote · May 22, 2012

The diameter of the .45 ACP is .451 but the .45 Colt is .454. I don't know what diameter the Ruger combo bbl is, but I'd assume .454, which means accuracy with ACP bullets will be sub-par. If it is .451, you won't be able to safely fire most jacketed .45 Colt bullets through it. Individual guns vary slightly in bbl diameter.

.38/.357 birdshot is very unlikely to kill anything, and any shot fired from a rifled bbl, even a .410, will throw a fairly lousy swirling pattern. If you are just shooting it for fun, it's perfectly safe.

EL1227 · May 22, 2012

adjusterr said:
You are so right about opinionated people. I have had a Taurus Judge with a 6" barrel for about three years and have shot countless rounds of both .410 and .45 LC. I have seen no adverse effects and the pistol works perfectly. Re: accuracy, last Fall I practically beheaded a groundhog in my garden, at about25' using a Winchester PDX1 shotshell. I really don't understand the negative opinions regarding the Judge. I personally am of the opinion the negative comments are coming from individuals who don't own nor have they tested a Judge revolver. I know this for a fact,I would not want to be on the receiving end of either a PDX1 load or a .45 long Colt. I have several choices of self defense pistols and the Judge is my bedside choice.

Nice pic ... I have the 6" version too. It blows up milk jugs at 25' real good, so I can just imagine what it did to Puxatawny Phil. I've put many a round through mine, SP and HP .45 and standard and PDX1 shotgun loads with nary a hiccup. Occasionally cheaper shotgun shells swell and hang up on ejection, but can be tapped out with a pencil, but I've never had any accuracy problem at 25' and under which makes it a decent and relatively inexpensive all around HD weapon.

todbiker · May 22, 2012

I don't own a Judge or a Govenor, but I do seem to recall the Taurus is advertised as a .410/.45LC combo vs. the S&W being capable of .410/.45LC/ and .45ACP with half moons?

joppaj · May 22, 2012

Tylenator said:
I did some additional reading and I think I've answered my own question. I'll go with a 357. First round loaded will be snake shot followed by hollow point (for carry). That ruger blackhawk looks real nice

DON'T. That snake shot won't stop a dedicated attacker and you may only get one shot. That shot MUST count, use a good 125gr JHP and trust your life to it.

If you want a .45lc double action, I'd look for a Ruger Redhawk. The .45lc is an incredible round and the Redhawk will handle the hottest factory loads with ease.

Cai said:
Also isn't there a .410 flechette round? wouldn't that be a good defence round?

No it wouldn't. Flechettes do not weigh enough to be effective defensive rounds as a rule.

steves1911 · May 22, 2012

Taurus is now selling the Raging Judge which will shoot 454/45lc/410

Deep Creek Rock · May 22, 2012

Kinbote said:
The diameter of the .45 ACP is .451 but the .45 Colt is .454. I don't know what diameter the Ruger combo bbl is, but I'd assume .454, which means accuracy with ACP bullets will be sub-par. If it is .451, you won't be able to safely fire most jacketed .45 Colt bullets through it. Individual guns vary slightly in bbl diameter.

.38/.357 birdshot is very unlikely to kill anything, and any shot fired from a rifled bbl, even a .410, will throw a fairly lousy swirling pattern. If you are just shooting it for fun, it's perfectly safe.

That depends. 45 colts revolvers produced before WWII have a bore diameter of .454". Post war guns bore diameters are .451" to .452" ..the same as 45ACP - this is according to my Speer reloading manual.

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