Moved into Maryland, Past my 90 and Need Advice

SchmopieMopie · Nov 30, 2019

Unfortunately two years ago I had to move to Maryland. Hopefully only temporarily, but for now I'm here to stay. Before I lived in West Virginia, A much more free state and I own a number of firearms that I purchased/was given when I lived there.

- (1) Glock, G-26 9MM, gifted to me by my former father in law
- (1) Armalite Ar-15 (DEF15F) with a military cut barrel with bayonet cutout (non-hbar) the site classifies it as a Heavy Barrel this is the exact rifle. (https://www.armalite.com/product/m15-def15-defensive-sporting-rifle/)
- (1) AR-Pistol, i built myself from a stripped lower muti-cal, with an 11.5-inch barrel(full barrel, no cutouts, not pencil) and Compensator(Lantac Dragon) w/brace
- (1) Rugger 10/22
- (1) Mosin Nagant 1943/85? I think
- (1) Keystone Cricket single-shot 22LR

I've spoken to a number of people and gun stores and I've gotten conflicting information. I'm way past my 90-day residency window and would prefer to live above the law. Would I be in trouble now if I were to register my firearms and bring them into the state and keep them in my domicile? Or do I have no options and must leave them with relatives out of state? I do not have any bills of sale for ownership of any of my firearms except maybe my handgun, but it was purchased in 2015 and given to me in 2016. I just need to know what I should do, any advice is appreciated.

Allen65 · Nov 30, 2019

The last three, the rifles, are no issue at all. They're unregulated long guns, no registration necessary.
The AR advertised as having a "heavy profile barrel" should fall under the HBAR exemption as defined by MSP, in which case it's as unregulated as the other rifles. But MSP isn't known for consistency in interpreting MD's obnoxiously ambiguous firearms laws, so I won't say I'm certain I'm correct about that. It sure wouldn't hurt to print out a copy of the manufacturer's web page that says it's heavy barrel, and save it for your records.

For the other stuff, I'd strongly suggest talking to an attorney rather than asking on this forum.

Silverlax · Nov 30, 2019

If you have your HQL, I wonder if you could have them transferred/shipped from an FFL in West Virginia to an FFL in MD? Then just do the paperwork to take possession. This is not legal advise and I’m not a lawyer.

SchmopieMopie · Nov 30, 2019

Am i required to register them, even if they are stored out of state in a place that doesn't require registration? It is very complicated. Hopefully, someone has dealt with a similar situation or can recommend a lawyer or legal team that can assist me.

Allen65 · Nov 30, 2019

For legal advice try Ed Hershon, who is an Industrial Partner to MDS. One of my coworkers has used Ed's services and has nothing but praise for him. Info is here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=229441

marko · Nov 30, 2019

Or do I have no options and must leave them with relatives out of state?

I would leave them out of state. Look at this thread, the poor guy is selling everything. MD SUCKS!

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=240107

SchmopieMopie · Nov 30, 2019

marko said:
I would leave them out of state. Look at this thread, the poor guy is selling everything. MD SUCKS!

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=240107

I saw his post, his issue was a misdemeanor charge from another state. My record is clean, I just missed my 90-day window but I never transferred them into the state, but I can bring my long guns if I want to. The ars and the pistol might have to stay a state over.

Defense Rifle · Dec 1, 2019

IANAL but have read the MD law and by the way its written I think by registering them at this point could be problematic given your past the 90 day point.

What you could do is get an HQL and get your own MD registered handguns.

Also I'm pretty sure the 90 day registration window only applies to handguns as they are considered to be "regulated firearms" in Maryland for new MD residents.

Threeband · Dec 1, 2019

Silverlax said:
If you have your HQL, I wonder if you could have them transferred/shipped from an FFL in West Virginia to an FFL in MD? Then just do the paperwork to take possession. This is not legal advise and I’m not a lawyer.

This makes sense to me, since the guns themselves haven't been brought to Maryland yet. It seems this way Maryland could treat them as new acquisitions.

welder516 · Dec 1, 2019

You are 90 plus and moved back to Maryland , why ohh why .

Pinecone · Dec 1, 2019

Defense Rifle said:
Also I'm pretty sure the 90 day registration window only applies to handguns as they are considered to be "regulated firearms" in Maryland for new MD residents.

No, it also applies to formerly regulated long guns (now banned), if they were purchases prior to 10/1/13

Bob A · Dec 1, 2019

I'd be inclined to leave them out of Maryland's hands and awareness, myself, especially if they're safe and comfortable where they are. Very grabby tyranny here. There's no reason to trust MD, and plenty of reasons not to.

I'm not paranoid, just cynical, with good reason.

Joshua · Dec 1, 2019

You should be fine, just ftom what i have heard.

remrug · Dec 4, 2019

Just tell them.....Shall Not Be Infringed :sad20:

SchmopieMopie · Dec 25, 2019

Quick update for everyone who was kind enough to respond or engage my post.

I spoke to the MD State Police a few weeks back. A very friendly Sgt Edwards heard me out, understood my situation and appreciated my forwardness and communication.

As for my Ruger, Mosin and Arma-lite, they require no registration or paperwork of any kind. Because they are not banned, and only 1 of the three could be argued as a copy cat rifle he recommended I print the manufacturer product description, which luckily for me calls it a Heavy Profile Barrel, he considered it safe as long as I keep a copy of the Manufacturer Paperwork and would grandfather the rifle going forward. As for my Glock and my Ar-pistol, he did say they were regulated firearms. He did say that despite my 90day window being closed, but since I had not brought them to the state,, they were not banned he would take care of it.

Considering the gray nature of my inquiry I'm grateful for Sgt Edwards willingness to help me. With his help I was able to submit my Registration for my Glock and AR-Pistol, both of which were approved within 2 weeks of submission. I never had to appeal anything or justify my paperwork despite the AR-Pistol not meeting the registration premade data fields.

This has been an enlightening and refreshing experience that has shown me a few things.

1. The Police generically do not "want" to restrict your rights.
2. The State Police will do everything they can to assist you within the law.
3. The law, as it is written it incomplete and I'm grateful for that. (As if to leave a loophole)
4. 2nd amendment rights are not dead in Maryland thanks to a large number of activists and organizations.

Is this scenario Right? Constitutional? Legal? .... I don't know. But I'm a legal Ar-15 Owning, gun loving, State resident and I do not believe anyone's coming for my firearms, if they try to take them, my guns will make their way home to WV again. Thank you, God Bless, and Merry Christmas!

Alea Jacta Est · Dec 25, 2019

Schmopie...I’d not put/list anything I owned here or elsewhere unless I was selling it.

I’m just an old guy though.

ras_oscar · Jan 10, 2020

I m glad you were able to resolve your questions in an aboveboard and forthright manner. The only thing in addition I would do is to be sure you document your conversation with MSP. There are often differing interpretations between troopers. An email to the trooper confirming your conversation would go a long way to establish your intent should follow on interactions go a different way.

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