HPRB July 22, 2019 Meeting Thread

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  • Stoveman

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    It looks like the next applicant is being represented by Stouffer's padewan who is very easy on the eyes.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    Next applicant appears to be a no show.

    Next applicant represented by the Stouffer law firm.

    Applicant as well as attorney sworn in. Wow, that's a new one, an attorney required to tell the truth. Requesting a closed session. Board member says not sure there are facilities for this. Stevi told him cases are saved for the end.

    Really, didn't know about closed hearings?"
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    New applicant has a restricted permit. One for business for NRA instructor and another for gun store. Restrictions on both. Meets lots of people in business. Acquaintances meet him in the street and makes comments on being armed.

    Provided documentation.

    Why would this guy have two permits?

    Also have a full time job dealing with bridge painting.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    MSP - applicant said self employed. Modification request usually requires adding something. Reviewer did not know about gun store employment. MSP canceled permit. Applicant appeared to not know.

    Standard business restrictions consistent with MSP policy....are reasonable.

    MSP shows new restrictions. To and from work and while conducting business. Seems to be another update.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    Board asks about mixup. Thought he was only modifying own business. Board vice chairman says no such thing as unlimited restrictions. Talk to the legislature.

    Big fail here with board.
     

    Stoveman

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    After the back and forth the applicant repeated again that he wanted his restrictions lifted. The MoCo lawyer said "you will have to talk to the legislature about that".
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    Next up. Applicant looks familiar to me. Currently holds a permit. Is a landlord and lawyer. Wow, circumstances sound familiar.

    Guy can only have firearms when making deposits and doing law stuff.

    Collects rent. Sometimes not sure when he will have money, thus it is unknown when he will have cash and make deposits.

    Police that he talks to says he probably covered 24/7. But, it's not clear. May be in a situation with family, and having a guy, this being in violation.

    Police officers will arrest you. Nervous around guns.

    Sometimes gets heat for not picking great clients. They can seek retaliation. And can do this when you are not doing law work and not doing landlord stuff.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    Teaches karate. When if in karate hear, has an accident, then searched. Then bang, arrested.

    Sometimes picks up drugs from the pharmacy.

    Can't leave gun in car when picking up items when outside of restrictions. That is a violation of law.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    Applicant talking about safing gun while on transit from Delaware to Maryland. Starting to get a bit confusing, but applicant giving examples of "silliness" of the law.

    Law is turning applicant into criminal for parts of the day.

    Can make an argument that he's doing law all the time. Thinking about it all the time.

    Stevi had a buzzer. 10 minutes up. Your redress of grievances can only take 10 minutes.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    MSP - applicant story generally confirmed regarding his story. Not data providing information regarding threats. Restrictions ate reasonable.

    Board asked why criminal defense attorney is not a assumed risk. MSP says only for people taking rights away. Criminal defense attorney is trying to restore tights.

    Board member asking MSP if LE agencies know how permits work. Board would like to be able to tell applicant's that the permits are being appropriately discussed in the LE community. Applicant asks MSP if they have conducted training to other agencies. Rosiginol said he has no input to training to other agencies.

    Applicant arguing of standard SOP is made up by the MSP. Not in statute. Talking about "may" limit, but MSP SOP will be restricted. Bonnell talking with applicant talking about paragraph g kind of arrogantly.d
     

    Not_an_outlaw

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    Vice chairman agrees with applicant, but believes it's a statutory issue. Says it's the law in Maryland. Vice chairman says since attorney can probably carry 24/7. MSP said probably good.

    Applicant talking about standard of evidence. Guy pulling you over only had to have reasonable suspicion. And the win goes to the MSP.
     

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