Lower transferred as HBAR rifle.

swinokur · Jan 2, 2018

No stripped lower in MD is cash and carry.

No HQL is required for a stripped lower because it's not a handgun. It's defined as a firearm.

But after you purchase it, you can use that to exempt yourself from the HQL training requirement.

ELEMENT94 · Jan 2, 2018

danb said:
"stripped lower" is not specific enough. Some stripped lowers are 77r but no HQL, others require an HQL, and still others are cash and carry. I'd really have to see the actual thing.

But if its true the FFL is going to re-do this as 77r, the least you can do is get them a case of Vaseline and Preperation H. This cant be the only one, and this is going to hurt.

What lowers are C and C??

ELEMENT94 · Jan 2, 2018

swinokur said:
No stripped lower in MD is cash and carry.

what non stripped is C and C ?

swinokur · Jan 2, 2018

By stripped I mean no upper is sold with it.

ELEMENT94 · Jan 2, 2018

swinokur said:
By stripped I mean no upper is sold with it.

oh ok

ELEMENT94 · Jan 2, 2018

swinokur said:
No stripped lower in MD is cash and carry.

No HQL is required for a stripped lower because it's not a handgun. It's defined as a firearm.

But after you purchase it, you can use that to exempt yourself from the HQL training requirement.

Tell me more.

swinokur · Jan 2, 2018

Because one of the HQL training exemptions is

Owns a regulated firearm.

A stripped lower is a regulated firearm according to MSP. You can use the serial number of the lower when requesting the training exemption.

MD Statute 5-117.1
.

ELEMENT94 · Jan 2, 2018

swinokur said:
Because one of the HQL training exemptions is

Owns a regulated firearm.

A stripped lower is a regulated firearm according to MSP. You can use the serial number of the lower when requesting the training exemption.

MD Statute 5-117.1
.

I will be damned.

swinokur · Jan 2, 2018

yep, been there the whole time. Some members have used that to get their HQL, no training required.

ELEMENT94 · Jan 2, 2018

swinokur said:
yep, been there the whole time. Some members have used that to get their HQL, no training required.

You should win the Nobel Prize for that.

swinokur · Jan 2, 2018

I don't think I was the first one to notice it.

clandestine · Jan 2, 2018

Look at all of the guests watching...

Replace ATF with MSP

mopar92 · Jan 2, 2018

For the record a stripped and or complete lower are both "others". They are NOT regulated firearms per COMAR (MD) or Federal law. MSP guidance (which is NON legally binding as they CANNOT MAKE the rules they can only ENFORCE them informs dealers to TREAT them as regulated rifles.

If a buyer who is over 21 years old and not otherwise prohibited wished to purchase a complete and or stripped lower AND the FFL agreed to complete the purchase on a 4473 ONLY and called MSP to witness the sacred union MSP could legally do nothing but huff and puff.

Now, you may be asking yourself, why Mopar does no one sell stripped lowers as cash and carry? Its very simple. MSP has answered all inquiries with threats of arrest, revocation of regulated dealers licenses and the simple answer that we just won't cash your checks when you pay us for your dealer license preventing you from selling regulated firearms. Now you won't find that in dealer guidance or official emails its all over the phone or in person.

TL;DR
OP's friend or OP broke no laws.

swinokur · Jan 2, 2018

If MSP can take away your livelihood, it may as well be a law.

Schipperke · Jan 2, 2018

swinokur said:
No stripped lower in MD is cash and carry.

No HQL is required for a stripped lower because it's not a handgun. It's defined as a firearm.

But after you purchase it, you can use that to exempt yourself from the HQL training requirement.

That is pretty slick if one needs training for a HQL. I've seen stripped lowers cheaper than some HQL training classes.

swinokur · Jan 2, 2018

gunismyfriend · Jan 2, 2018

Schipperke said:
That is pretty slick if one needs training for a HQL. I've seen stripped lowers cheaper than some HQL training classes.

The lowest cost of HQL-qualifying course is $17.xx for the online Hunting Safety course, and the free-but-required 4-hour field day.
At least that what the instructors at my field day told me.

swinokur · Jan 2, 2018

Texas HS has no field day requirements and is accepted by MD

gunismyfriend · Jan 2, 2018

swinokur said:
Texas HS has no field day requirements and is accepted by MD

I can't comment if the MD police would take it for HQL requirement.

swinokur · Jan 2, 2018

A state sponsored HS cert is accepted by MD. Members here have used it

Lower transferred as HBAR rifle.

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