Finnish P-27

Abulg1972 · Jan 1, 2018

Here are the auction pictures. I’ve held this gun in my hands and it is nicer that the pics show. We’ll see ... I love that you can see the remnants of the prior serial number.

Combloc · Jan 1, 2018

I'm not certain what I'm lookin at. I apologize for my ignorance but did this start life as a Russian M91 but was reworked or was it made from the ground up in Finland?

metalman3006 · Jan 1, 2018

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMPseries.htm

Combloc · Jan 1, 2018

Thank you for the education! Nice!

buellsfurn · Jan 1, 2018

Combloc said:
I'm not certain what I'm lookin at. I apologize for my ignorance but did this start life as a Russian M91 but was reworked or was it made from the ground up in Finland?

Thats what Im finding started Russian reworked to fire fin cartridge but the p 27 indicates finland m91

Bertfish · Jan 1, 2018

The Finns sure produced a lot of nice collecting opportunities for us

Abulg1972 · Jan 1, 2018

buellsfurn said:
Thats what Im finding started Russian reworked to fire fin cartridge but the p 27 indicates finland m91

No

Combloc · Jan 1, 2018

Abulg, I have a 1916 M91 Finnish rework that has the original Russian bluing on it (inside of the receiver is still in the white) and the imperial eagle is intact. Other than the markings, it looks pretty much identical to yours. If you are interested, shoot me a PM. I was planning on selling it but I would rather it go to someone I know.

Abulg1972 · Jan 1, 2018

Combloc said:
I'm not certain what I'm lookin at. I apologize for my ignorance but did this start life as a Russian M91 but was reworked or was it made from the ground up in Finland?

This rifle started life as a 3 Line Rifle, Model of 1891. Aka M1891. Finland was sitting on a boatload of them after independence. They decided to repurpose old beat up, worn out rifles by employing an Italian technology of relining/sleeving rifles with new bores. Between 1925 and 1927, Finland re-sleeved about 16,900 M1891s. They were very unimpressed with the results.

Combloc · Jan 1, 2018

Thank you sir.

Abulg1972 · Jan 1, 2018

Combloc said:
Abulg, I have a 1916 M91 Finnish rework that has the original Russian bluing on it (inside of the receiver is still in the white) and the imperial eagle is intact. Other than the markings, it looks pretty much identical to yours. If you are interested, shoot me a PM. I was planning on selling it but I would rather it go to someone I know.

At this point, it would have to be something really special. I have 29 Finnish Mosins so right now I’m only looking for unique ones. But, I do love M1891s, so feel free to send me a PM with pics.

SmokeEaterPilot · Jan 1, 2018

Wasn't this owned by a gunboards member?

Abulg1972 · Jan 1, 2018

SmokeEaterPilot said:
Wasn't this owned by a gunboards member?

Maybe at one time but the current owner is a guy in Virginia who is not a GB member.

h2u · Jan 2, 2018

Very nice pick up!! Congrats.
27's are a little harder to find than the 26's :thumbsup:

The Finn military was originally unimpressed (military politics).
There's a nice soap opera in there, but long story-short...when wartime came they were used and deemed fine.

mawkie · Jan 2, 2018

Congrats! I've got a bunch of Finn stuff but somehow the P series has eluded me. Saw yours when the catalog went online. Well bought!

Abulg1972 · Jan 2, 2018

I feel bad for the seller. I can’t imagine that it was worth the consignment. I assume that he will get $410 less some consignment fee. The only person who really won here (I guess I won) is the auction company.

That auction was wacky. Some stuff sold for well above what I would ever pay, and vice versa. A pretty nice M91/24 for $556 after premium. It had a horrible Century billboard import mark on the receiver. Someone did walk away with a very nice unrefurbished Soviet SKS for just over 5 Benjamins.

airbornetrooper · Jan 2, 2018

Nice find. This rifle was at the Chantilly gun show on 9/29/17 and no one bought it. Then it ended up on Proxibid in Norfolk after that.

Abulg1972 · Jan 2, 2018

airbornetrooper said:
Nice find. This rifle was at the Chantilly gun show on 11/29/17 and no one bought it. Then it ended up on Proxibid in Norfolk after that.

Yes. That’s where I first saw it. I almost bought it but I thought he wanted too much and I didn’t really want to spend the money at the Time.

airbornetrooper · Jan 2, 2018

Abulg1972 said:
Yes. That’s where I first saw it. I almost bought it but I thought he wanted too much and I didn’t really want to spend the money at the Time.

Same seller was at the show this past weekend. Had some decent stuff (1939 dated M27s aren't exactly common), but most of it was priced a little high. Your rifle is right near the end of production, high P27 serial is 16854.

Abulg1972 · Jan 2, 2018

airbornetrooper said:
Same seller was at the show this past weekend. Had some decent stuff (1939 dated M27s aren't exactly common), but most of it was priced a little high. Your rifle is right near the end of production, high P27 serial is 16854.

I saw that M27 last year. I overpaid for the Swedish Nagant M1887 that I bought from him, but you just don’t see them come up that often.

I have PDFs of all production numbers for both Civil Guard stuff and Finnish Army stuff if anyone wants them. Just shoot me a PM with your email address.

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