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Old June 9th, 2017, 09:32 AM #11
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I personally have never been comfortable with the marking making any difference on whether something is an HBAR or not. That wouldn't work in any non-firearm situation in a court of law in my opinion.
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I personally have never been comfortable with the marking making any difference on whether something is an HBAR or not. That wouldn't work in any non-firearm situation in a court of law in my opinion.
That is my fear as well. MSP might say if it is marked HBAR or advertised as HBAR you are fine. However, I take the Justice Porter's opinion from Jacobellis v Ohio to heart "I know it when I see it". There don't seem to be any actual RULES either for 2013 FSA HBAR or some industry standard that is published.

There is however a generally agreed upon spec, which is .750" at the gas block and no real step down or taper from there to the muzzle/threading.

I'd hate to get the one jack hole officer and the one axe to grind prosecutor hauling me up for my HBAR and having 12 of my peers decide that the prosecutor is right, that just cause what I bought said HBAR on it, it clearly wasn't.
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Oh, to add, if anything I'd see if you could find a barrel manufacturer who would be willing to flute the area behind the gas block for you. Fluting does seem like it is likely okay on a heavy barrel to meet the compliance criteria.

That'd likely take off a few ounces and would be visually hidden so it looks more like an M16A1.

Heck, that is my one regret with my 20" .223 wylde HBAR is that I didn't spend more time looking for a barrel. The Stoner 20" I've got on there is pretty accurate and a good price, but a fluted barrel would have likely cut a good 3-5oz off the weight of the rifle
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Oh, to add, if anything I'd see if you could find a barrel manufacturer who would be willing to flute the area behind the gas block for you. Fluting does seem like it is likely okay on a heavy barrel to meet the compliance criteria.

That'd likely take off a few ounces and would be visually hidden so it looks more like an M16A1.

Heck, that is my one regret with my 20" .223 wylde HBAR is that I didn't spend more time looking for a barrel. The Stoner 20" I've got on there is pretty accurate and a good price, but a fluted barrel would have likely cut a good 3-5oz off the weight of the rifle
His issue isn't so much the weight as it is wanting it to look A1 externally. It would still look like an A2 or 605 externally.
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His issue isn't so much the weight as it is wanting it to look A1 externally. It would still look like an A2 or 605 externally.
Crap, you are right. Not sure why, but until I read your post I was thinking the A1 was the heavy barreled version, but I remembered it was the A2 that was.
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Do you have a pre ban rifle that could donate a receiver to build an A1 on?
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Do you have a pre ban rifle that could donate a receiver to build an A1 on?
once transferred it is HBAR only.
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once transferred it is HBAR only.
If he has a preban evil rifle, then he can swap evil uppers on it all he wants.
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once transferred it is HBAR only.
Only if transferred to another person.
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Only if transferred to another person.
Right. You can put anything atf legal on a pre ban receiver for yourself. I put an Engage A1 kit together on one of my pre-ban unfortunately A2 receivers, if I ever get to a free state I'll swap it out for a Nodak Spud A1 lower.
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