Beat to death: AK vs. AR

Phoenix_55 · Apr 21, 2011

Russ D said:
You really need impartial shooters to make it as even as possible. Even quality milsurp ammo for an AR is far to limiting a factor here. Shooting 2-3 moa ammo out of a 1 moa rifle is basically leveling the playing field for the AK. You need good ammo if you wanna test what the rifles are capable of. Would you race two turbo cars on 87 octane if they needed 93 to make full power?

As I have stated several times now, we will shoot SEVERAL types of ammo. We both have Silver Bear and will acquire some match ammo for each as well. If anybody can lend some milsurp for the AK that is equivalent or close to M855 that would help.

Inigoes · Apr 21, 2011

SCARCQB said:
I hate to agree with you... But my Colt AR will smoke any AK in the accuracy department ( flame suit on)

Russ D said:
Is there a torture test involved? I doubt any good AR would not pass a torture test with any amount of ammo we could afford to use.

Phoenix_55 said:
As I have stated several times now, we will shoot SEVERAL types of ammo. We both have Silver Bear and will acquire some match ammo for each as well. If anybody can lend some milsurp for the AK that is equivalent or close to M855 that would help.

An AR in 7.62X39 will show it's true colors in a short time. ARs do not like the dirty rusky ammo.

Phoenix_55 · Apr 21, 2011

Russ D said:
I'd have no problem donating 100 rounds of match quality loads for the AR. Not sure if I'm comfortable with someone else shooting my reloads though because of liability issues.

Couldn't agree more with you on that. I have no qualms letting fellow MD shooters use my firearm, or if someone has an AR better suited for the test.

As far as torture test goes, I'll pass on that. Not to throw in the towel but I just finished this build and have no inclinations to putting her through hell. Also, I think both rifles would be at it far longer than anyone would be willing to stick around for.

Russ D · Apr 21, 2011

Inigoes said:
An AR in 7.62X39 will show it's true colors in a short time. ARs do not like the dirty rusky ammo.

Bastards have nothing to do with this discussion.

Inigoes · Apr 21, 2011

Russ D said:
Bastards have nothing to do with this discussion.

Isn't that what this test is about???

SCARCQB · Apr 21, 2011

Okay....

The winner of the test will shoot against my Mini-14 using 55 grain Barnaul ammo. :innocent0

Russ D · Apr 21, 2011

Inigoes said:
Isn't that what this test is about???

How so? I mean I've been called worse but my parents have been married for 2 years longer than I've been alive.

Inigoes · Apr 21, 2011

SCARCQB said:
Okay....

The winner of the test will shoot against my Mini-14 using 55 grain Barnaul ammo.

That's a tease, the winner will be stuck with 1 round per second @ MG...

SCARCQB · Apr 21, 2011

Shooters at MG should post pictures their best groups . I shoot a lot of Wolf through my AR15s. Accuracy is not bad at all. Tennis ball at 100 yards is easy prey.

Then we'll do AR-10 vs M1A vs PSL54 vs G3 vs FAL-FN vs CETME vs Saiga

Followed by Savage 110 vs Remington 700 or Mosin vs Mauser

This should be a fun summer.

Russ D · Apr 21, 2011

Ok after a little brainstorming I think this is what we need. One very good experienced shooter and one average shooter to shoot each platform. The experience guy will show what each rifle is capable of and the average shooter will show how easy each is to shoot accurately. What do you think?

Bigdtc · Apr 21, 2011

IBTL

J/K

Nemesis · Apr 21, 2011

Russ D said:
Ok after a little brainstorming I think this is what we need. One very good experienced shooter and one average shooter to shoot each platform. The experience guy will show what each rifle is capable of and the average shooter will show how easy each is to shoot accurately. What do you think?

who will the experienced shooter be?

here is an idea...lets remove as much of the human factor as possible here...who has a mechanical bench rest?

clandestine · Apr 21, 2011

Nemesis said:
who will the experienced shooter be?

here is an idea...lets remove as much of the human factor as possible here...who has a mechanical bench rest?

I have one. I am RoboCop, use my robot arms.

Inigoes · Apr 21, 2011

SCARCQB said:
Shooters at MG should post pictures their best groups . I shoot a lot of Wolf through my AR15s. Accuracy is not bad at all. Tennis ball at 100 yards is easy prey.

Then we'll do AR-10 vs M1A vs PSL54 vs G3 vs FAL-FN vs CETME vs Saiga

Followed by Savage 110 vs Remington 700 or Mosin vs Mauser

This should be a fun summer.

I do believe you're onto something.

How about the idea of pitting the US rifles against the Ruskie rifles?

Russ D · Apr 21, 2011

Nemesis said:
who will the experienced shooter be?

here is an idea...lets remove as much of the human factor as possible here...who has a mechanical bench rest?

That might be the best answer. You could do the mechanical rest and then have both of your results. That would be a great cross section.

Nemesis · Apr 21, 2011

Russ D said:
That might be the best answer.

thats what i am thinking...totally bench both rifles, i will try to get my hands on some lapua 7.62 for the match ammo accuracy factor...and just try to pull the best possible intrinsic accuracy out of both platforms.

Russ D · Apr 21, 2011

Nemesis said:
thats what i am thinking...totally bench both rifles, i will try to get my hands on some lapua 7.62 for the match ammo accuracy factor...and just try to pull the best possible intrinsic accuracy out of both platforms.

Should we do some type of rapid fire test also?

Nemesis · Apr 21, 2011

Russ D said:
Should we do some type of rapid fire test also?

hard to do @ 1 round per second...we could break the rule, though...for science of course :innocent0

for a rapid fire test i think 50 yard man sized targets would be best...(rapid being 2 or more shots per second)...each loaded with 15 rounds, 3 points for head shots, 2 for center mass, 1 for hits anywhere else and obviously none for misses.

edit: i can tell you this though...having shot ar-15s before, the recoil of my sgl21 is just as tame as any AR that i have shot

Russ D · Apr 21, 2011

Nemesis said:
hard to do @ 1 round per second...we could break the rule, though...for science of course

for a rapid fire test i think 50 yard man sized targets would be best...(rapid being 2 or more shots per second)...each loaded with 15 rounds, 3 points for head shots, 2 for center mass, 1 for hits anywhere else and obviously none for misses.

Maybe not scientific but it should be pretty fun. I say go for it.

SCARCQB · Apr 21, 2011

Inigoes said:
I do believe you're onto something.

How about the idea of pitting the US rifles against the Ruskie rifles?

I did that ... US wins.. LOL :lol2:

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