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Old December 6th, 2017, 11:10 PM #21
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I think... it sound's like... why can't they just come out and say what someone did and give the instructions as to how to follow their guidelines? Why do it in riddles?
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The law didn't change when MSP implemented the Eportal system. MSP still cannot prevent a dealer from releasing the firearm after 7 days if the Not Disapproved has not been received from MSP.

The sticky wicket is does MSP transport the NCN to the dealer ahd of the Not Disapproved email? I haven't bought a gun since this thing was implemented. The 4473 cannot be completed without the NCN.
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Honestly this advisory is as clear as the harbor.

I have no idea what they mean. It could mean for example, dealers must complete the 77r before they do the 4473 (why the order matters, who knows, this is the MSP). I find it hard to believe dealers are not filling out the 77r and submitting it, but it could mean that too. Could mean that some dealers are not completing the 77r until a few days after the transfer... because "Saturdays are ultra busy and the system is slow".... which would be a no-no. So it could be a reminder that the 77r must be completed before handing over the gun.

I do know that in the portal user guide, there are a number of incorrect things. For example, after you pay the $10 you do not get confirmation that the app was submitted. You only get a confirmation when you start the app, and when you get the not disapproved.

The fact that dealers can release after 7 days regardless of MSP inaction has already been litigated, and MSP lost in 2013.

What we need is an advisory to correct and clarify the advisory.
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exactly.
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If a State Police Officer is reading please chime in , or even a Brian Frosh Rep............................................... .......... ;-O
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If you you select "Print Application" during the 7 day wait period the Nics check shows on the application on the day that it is done. I just had a purchase on black Friday 11/24 that the Nics check showed up on the application on 11/28 and I got my email on 12/1 as expected. I purposely checked every day because I noticed on another application that the Nics was done a couple of days before the wait period was over.
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Just wait for the 77r site to go down and nobody can do any purchases or transfers of regulated firearms.

Also, where in the statues does it say that the the 77r site is the only way to process paperwork.
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I think... it sound's like... why can't they just come out and say what someone did and give the instructions as to how to follow their guidelines? Why do it in riddles?
Agreed, sounds like the Joker wrote that Advisory!
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Agreed, sounds like the Joker wrote that Advisory!
So the question is, who is the joker in the LD division?
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I wonder if they are top heavy, and some overpaid administrator has to periodically cough up one of these edicts to justify keeping their position? Just a thought from someone in middle management
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