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  • WatTyler

    Ultimate Member
    The special session having been called, something bad is going to have to be produced by its end. It's a fundamental principle of play-acting. As Anton Chekhov said, "One must never place a loaded rifle on the stage if it isn't going to go off."
     

    paperwork351

    no error code for stupid
    Mar 7, 2008
    867
    Gaithersburg
    Gerald Lee Baliles, Chuck Robb, Doug Wilder, Mark Warner, T. Mcaulffe, Tim Kaine and Northam. Waste the votes on independants who won't vote conservitive. Don't underestimate the stupidity of Virginians.
     

    ReviledExpat

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    Mar 26, 2019
    9
    Virginia is blue in all statewide offices, and in its Assembly is 51 GOP - 49 Dem in its House, and 21 GOP to 19 Dem in its Senate.

    Money: Bloomberg has been spending more per capita in Virginia races than in any US state and Soros nearly so. That is a lot of IOUs on gun control.

    Demographics: Virginia demographic changes make it likely to go solid blue in the next five to ten years.

    There is also a very large relative growth of Hispanics -- the major demographic most likely to NOT own a gun, and not to support the second amendment and most likely to support increased gun control. (An issue not just in Virginia but nationally).

    Unfortunately, Hispanics largely support socialism because of their propensity toward low income and high illegitimacy rates. California is permanently lost because of Hispanics, and Virginia, Florida, and Texas aren't far behind.
     

    Norton

    NRA Endowment Member, Rifleman
    Staff member
    Admin
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    May 22, 2005
    122,848
    Unfortunately, Hispanics largely support socialism because of their propensity toward low income and high illegitimacy rates. California is permanently lost because of Hispanics, and Virginia, Florida, and Texas aren't far behind.

    GOODBYE....again
     

    Cruacious

    C&R Farmer
    Apr 29, 2015
    1,595
    Elkton
    Ok, that one unmentionable above had his word, let me be more clear for the more reasonable people here what I think the issue behind this madness is.

    Fear of weapons, and the existential threat they possess.

    That's it. It's likely that simple. Misinformation is used by policy setters to drive this fear, and it can be stirred into a fevered pitch in the same manner that politicians have used since time immemorial to organize people to follow their lead.

    Loss of loved ones to guns? Martyrs to the cause. Gave up their guns for whatever reason? A champion of modern progressiveness who values the safety of others above all.

    We need to stop throwing the liberal labels around at these people (though many identify as such) and keep debunking their propaganda with PSAs of our own showing how real, responsible gun owners act. There are many groups that already do and God bless them for it. Many of our opponents are entrenched in their opinions and will never budge (sadly my own dear mother is among them for instance). But as long as we keep at it, hopefully the next generation will listen, learn, and reject the follies of gun grabbing. But we have to teach them.
     

    Mightydog

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    “Fear of weapons and the existential threat they possess”. What has changed to cause this? I’m “old school”, born in the 50’s and raised around guns. NO SOCIAL MEDIA. When we interacted with someone it was face-to-face. What changed? Love of country, a sense of debt to the USA. What changed? “Loss of loved ones to guns”.....it was the guns fault as much as the cars fault in an accident, or the bikes fault, or, or, or! It was the fault of a mentally unstable individual. The weak minded are being led like the sheeple they are. Look at the recent results in Virginia. McAwful and SOROS! As long as people are “comfortable” having someone else tell them what to do or how to live things won’t change.
     

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    ChannelCat

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    “Fear of weapons and the existential threat they possess”. What has changed to cause this? I’m “old school”, born in the 50’s and raised around guns. NO SOCIAL MEDIA. When we interacted with someone it was face-to-face. What changed? Love of country, a sense of debt to the USA. What changed? “Loss of loved ones to guns”.....it was the guns fault as much as the cars fault in an accident, or the bikes fault, or, or, or! It was the fault of a mentally unstable individual. The weak minded are being led like the sheeple they are. Look at the recent results in Virginia. McAwful and SOROS! As long as people are “comfortable” having someone else tell them what to do or how to live things won’t change.

    Soros needs to take a permanent dirt bath. I usually respect the dead, but when Soros croaks, I'll pour a Bookers.
     

    davsco

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 21, 2010
    8,607
    Loudoun, VA
    Fear of weapons, and the existential threat they possess.

    That's it. It's likely that simple.

    yeah lots of people don't enjoy shooting and are afraid or just ignorant about firearms. since they don't have and won't use firearms, in their minds, an extra gun in circulation is just another chance it could be used against them.

    little to no drastic action is being taken against drunk and distracted driving as most enjoy alcohol from time to time and of course rampant cell phone use, so there is an upside to counter the downside.

    the more people we can introduce to firearms the more that will see their benefits and not be so quick to jump on the ban wagon (yes a pun of sorts).
     

    Mightydog

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Do they still offer Archery in schools? Golf class? We had a rifle team/club in my HS in Pennsylvania back in the early 70’s. Taught the basics, safety, techniques. Also there were NRA classes available to take for kids. But again, that was in the days where you took shop, automotive class and everyone took PE!
     

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    lazarus

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    Jun 23, 2015
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    yeah lots of people don't enjoy shooting and are afraid or just ignorant about firearms. since they don't have and won't use firearms, in their minds, an extra gun in circulation is just another chance it could be used against them.

    little to no drastic action is being taken against drunk and distracted driving as most enjoy alcohol from time to time and of course rampant cell phone use, so there is an upside to counter the downside.

    the more people we can introduce to firearms the more that will see their benefits and not be so quick to jump on the ban wagon (yes a pun of sorts).

    Exactly. My wife isn’t comfortable around guns. Was raised anti-gun and was never closer than a police officer being near here to a gun until she encouraged me to get in to hunting a few years ago. She’s shot a 22 once (this past fall). She’s been around guns with me shooting, hunting. A few days ago police were looking for someone urgently in our neighborhood and she had one of my handguns in her lap while I went to go help a neighbor lock her house up when we found out as her husband was out of town. My wife asked for it.

    She still isn’t comfortable with guns and we don’t see eye to eye on gun control, but she is a sea change away from where she had been a few years ago where she thought all guns should be banned.

    She may never get to a reasonable view point, but she is moving in that direction and it’s in lock step with her getting more comfortable around guns and viewing them as (sometimes necessary) tools.

    30 years ago gun control wasn’t a partisan issue. The parties decided they couldn’t share the same view point on any issue, so they staked our sides. I am a liberal gun owner. I won’t say I am a 2A absolutist, but pretty close to that (no more restrictions than any of the other rights should have and that isn’t true today). I know several other liberal gun owners. Heck, one of my friends is an ultra liberal who works for a state democratic law maker. He is also an NRA pistol, shotgun and rifle instructor and abhors gun control. I also know diehard conservatives who also want every gun rounded up and melted down.

    It’s a small minority in each party who have opposite views compared to the majority of the party, but just because you are a liberal or a conservative doesn’t mean you share the same view point on all issues. I regularly lobby and talk to candidates and delegates/senators about my views and push for gun friendly liberal candidates (where I live, we are probably stuck with democratic representatives) . That’s a quixotic quest? Probably, but going to keep trying to change minds whenever I can.
     

    TheOriginalMexicanBob

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 2, 2017
    32,168
    Sun City West, AZ
    My wife...while not brought up in a house without firearms...was still a Democrat and had the normal liberal fear of guns and really had little use for them. Long story short...when the KKK announced plans for a rally close to our home some years back and a counter-rally was also announced my wife asked "Do you have a gun close by not locked up?"

    Attitudes can change depending on perceived and actual threats to one's safety.
     

    MackM

    Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 20, 2018
    86
    The problems in the big cities will be written off as "intractable problems" or simply "the failure of the conservatives to produce sufficient jobs for those people". Sad. The liberal mayors will skate.
     

    Mightydog

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    AG Herring wants to decriminalize maryjane because of all the b*tching about the large number of blacks that are arrested for possession compared to the number of whites. WTF?
     

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    tsulli85

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    May 16, 2019
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    AG Herring wants to decriminalize maryjane because of all the b*tching about the large number of blacks that are arrested for possession compared to the number of whites. WTF?

    I'm all for legalization... But to legalize because "it's expensive and effects mostly blacks" is the worst reason I've seen.
     

    rascal

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 15, 2013
    1,253
    Virginia is blue in all statewide offices, and in its Assembly is 51 GOP - 49 Dem in its House, and 21 GOP to 19 Dem in its Senate.

    Money: Bloomberg has been spending more per capita in Virginia races than in any US state and Soros nearly so. That is a lot of IOUs on gun control.

    Demographics: Virginia demographic changes make it likely to go solid blue in the next five to ten years.

    There is also a very large relative growth of Hispanics -- the major demographic most likely to NOT own a gun, and not to support the second amendment and most likely to support increased gun control. (An issue not just in Virginia but nationally).
    Unfortunately, Hispanics largely support socialism because of their propensity toward low income and high illegitimacy rates. California is permanently lost because of Hispanics, and Virginia, Florida, and Texas aren't far behind.

    No this is not what I am getting at and I am not even sure your data is correct. Hispanics tend to have class mobility.

    I was writing about polls and surveys on attitudes towards gun control where there is solid data showing much higher than average support for gun control in that demographic.
     

    rascal

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 15, 2013
    1,253
    FYI the SCOTUS decision released today will almost certainly result in a Democrat controlled State Assembly in Virginia. The entire assembly is up for reelection this November.
     

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