Think I'm Gonna Be Sick

mopar92 · Jun 15, 2017

Rack&Roll said:
Most private citizens are selling their USED firearms. It's the selling of 6 unfired ARs of the exact same make and model that raises questions about "collecting" vs. re-selling for profit.

I have seen thinly disguised ATF agents appearing to be "interested buyers" quizzing walk-around sellers at gun shows offering multiple firearms.

The ATF will allow a collector maintaining a display at 2 shows a year for the sole purpose of liquidating inventory.
NOT a C&R collector, NOT a Designated Collector. Just a collector. No extra hoops.

No designation of unfired, fired, used, new or anything.

I've heard rumors that the kids at the Bureau of All Things Fun & Entertaining won't prosecute unless you bypass the 10-15% net income derived from firearm sales. But have found no guidance in the written law.

outrider58 · Jun 15, 2017

Rack&Roll said:
Not necessarily wisdom if you get on the ATF radar as an unlicensed dealer by posting ads to resell new stock at a profit to strangers.

Transfers just within your social circle, maybe, but then you'd be selling as a gouger to your friends. Not a good plan.

Wouldn't these be FTF sales?

AlanInSilverSpring · Jun 15, 2017

FrankOceanXray said:
This is expired?

Link still works for me

Parallax-Free · Jun 16, 2017

FrankOceanXray said:
This is expired?

As of now, it is still available for sale. I bought one this evening because I'm familiar with them and the quality is worth much more than
$400 to me. I couldn't even pay myself less to build one from scratch. Hard to say no.

http://grabagun.com/del-ton-echo-316-m-lok-5-56mm-16-blk.html

Or the base version also advertised as HEAVY PROFILE for $20 less. $7.99 flat rate shipping too.

http://grabagun.com/del-ton-echo-316h-lite-optics-ready-black-223-5-56-nato-16-inch-30rd.html

Rack&Roll · Jun 16, 2017

Rack&Roll said:
Not necessarily wisdom if you get on the ATF radar as an unlicensed dealer by posting ads to resell new stock at a profit to strangers.

Transfers just within your social circle, maybe, but then you'd be selling as a gouger to your friends. Not a good plan.

outrider58 said:
Wouldn't these be FTF sales?

Yes, but is the seller that is focused on a good profit going to advertise?

That's the pinch: advertise regularly online and attract ATF scrutiny, or sell to people you chat up--likely to be acquaintances--who may resent the profit margin that makes it worth it....

j_h_smith · Jun 16, 2017

Rack&Roll said:
Yes, but is the seller that is focused on a good profit going to advertise?

That's the pinch: advertise regularly online and attract ATF scrutiny, or sell to people you chat up--likely to be acquaintances--who may resent the profit margin that makes it worth it....

I can't speak for anyone else but me, I've sold my fair share of firearms in the past. Everything was completely legal and sometimes I had more than 6 firearms listed for sale on multiple forums. I've got 4 listed right now on MDS. I've never heard of anyone being targeted until they were selling a lot of new firearms(dozens). I've bought in bulk and sold in bulk too. If someone buys a few firearms and then decides to sell them in a year or 2, I don't see a problem. Maybe the ATF would look at you if you're buying a lot and selling them right away. But with these being FTF transfers, I'm not sure they have the resources to look at everyone who may be selling off part of their collection.

Now all of this goes away if you're stupid and start advertising your flipping firearms. They may take a closer look at you at that point.

But I have to say, I doubt anyone is ever going to find these firearms any cheaper. It would seem that they would make a good investment. I can see you making a better return on your investment than almost any other form where you're spending less than $10k.

Lets say you buy $10k worth of these firearms. Hold on to them for say 7 1/2 years or more. I can't imagine you loosing any money on the deal. So these are just as effective as a savings account. With the possibility of doing much better.

Something to think about!

jimbobborg · Jun 16, 2017

Wow, Colt 6720 is $810.31 and the 6920 is $789. 6920 sans furniture is $711.85. About a year ago I found them locally for $300+ more.

Alphabrew · Jun 16, 2017

jimbobborg said:
Wow, Colt 6720 is $810.31 and the 6920 is $789. 6920 sans furniture is $711.85. About a year ago I found them locally for $300+ more.

Yep. I got a brand new Colt 6721 from SOS for $750 shipped. Stock up!

Doobie · Jun 16, 2017

Went shooting with a buddy/co worker yesterday and he has one of these Del-Tons...he bought it within the last year and I'm sure paid more than that for it. Shot great with no issues. My wallet has been smoldering the past few months with all of the great prices. I think its starting to flame now.

Tomcat · Jun 16, 2017

Is it Maryland compliant? 30 round mag, I'm guessing they won't ship to MD.

Edit: Del-Ton site says they won't ship to MD http://www.del-ton.com/DTI_16_Carbine_MOE_Rifle_p/rfth16-mlok.htm

Parallax-Free · Jun 16, 2017

hitwtom said:
Is it Maryland compliant? 30 round mag, I'm guessing they won't ship to MD.

Edit: Del-Ton site says they won't ship to MD http://www.del-ton.com/DTI_16_Carbine_MOE_Rifle_p/rfth16-mlok.htm

I didn't read anything on G-A-G saying that they wouldn't ship to MD. I was under the impression that they would either remove the mag for shipping or the FFL simply wouldn't transfer the gun with the mag.

I know for a fact MD FFLS get 30rd mags with firearms through their distributors on a regular basis. They just have to pull them before selling the weapon.

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AlanInSilverSpring · Jun 16, 2017

Doobie said:
Went shooting with a buddy/co worker yesterday and he has one of these Del-Tons...he bought it within the last year and I'm sure paid more than that for it. Shot great with no issues. My wallet has been smoldering the past few months with all of the great prices. I think its starting to flame now.

I've got one I'll sell ya at cost..... $650

hitwtom said:
Is it Maryland compliant? 30 round mag, I'm guessing they won't ship to MD.

Edit: Del-Ton site says they won't ship to MD http://www.del-ton.com/DTI_16_Carbine_MOE_Rifle_p/rfth16-mlok.htm

These would be sold by GAG not DelTon. Pretty sure they would just pull the mag before shipping

Doobie · Jun 16, 2017

AlanInSilverSpring said:
I've got one I'll sell ya at cost..... $650

These would be sold by GAG not DelTon. Pretty sure they would just pull the mag before shipping

Jollyllama · Jun 16, 2017

This is crazy. Great for the consumer.

Silverlode · Jun 16, 2017

More crazy low prices.

https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/dpms/panther-oracle-rifle-5.56mm-16in-30rd-black/

DPMS Oracle 5.56. $440, free shipping, $75 rebate from DPMS = $365

Sthomas229 · Jun 16, 2017

Silverlode said:
More crazy low prices.

https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/dpms/panther-oracle-rifle-5.56mm-16in-30rd-black/

DPMS Oracle 5.56. $440, free shipping, $75 rebate from DPMS = $365

Alas, not for us MD peons. "light contour barrel"

Parallax-Free · Jun 16, 2017

Mine just shipped, so I'm going to guess we are in the clear.

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Mike · Jun 16, 2017

AlanInSilverSpring said:
MD legal Del Ton Echo AR 15 for $399 ! When they hit $600 I told a friend who was considering buying one to jump on it. NOW......

http://grabagun.com/del-ton-echo-316-m-lok-5-56mm-16-blk.html

Never would have thought they'd drop this low. It's a good thing but sometimes it hurts to think about it

How's this...

Paid just over $900 for that gun in 2014 myself.

You should feel better now, as you could have done worse than you did.

FrankOceanXray · Jun 16, 2017

Too silly of a deal. I got one. Darnit. Fathers day! Ya, thats it.

I paid more than this w LEO discount years ago, granted a RRA but still!

This and a $17 TRS25... I will be in for a great AR at $450!

PharaohF4 · Jun 16, 2017

FrankOceanXray said:
This and a $17 TRS25...

Where? That's s great price

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