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Old November 21st, 2020, 08:11 PM #1
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Raping of the land

I took the atv to the other side of my property today, shame to see what happened over the mountain. The buyer gave the sellers his word that he wouldn't clear cut when he bought a few years ago. Obviously ruined this year BUT he seeded with what will be hay and it's already starting to sprout. Owner and I get along fine and he gave me permission to do as I please on his land so next year the deer should be back in droves.

I took the hawks pic from my deck, redtail?????
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Old November 21st, 2020, 08:25 PM #2
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Makes you want to cry...

Have the new owners taken any steps to prevent soil erosion and sediment runoff while they wait for their hay to grow? That looks to be hilly ground and runoff could be devastating to local trout streams and creeks.
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Old November 21st, 2020, 08:33 PM #4
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Makes you want to cry...

Have the new owners taken any steps to prevent soil erosion and sediment runoff while they wait for their hay to grow? That looks to be hilly ground and runoff could be devastating to local trout streams and creeks.
These pics are on the Clinch Mountain just above the Clinch River, I own a small portion of both by comparison. I'm not too concerned about runoff since it's beginning to sprout and its on the backside of the mountain.
It's his land and a 150 acre hay field is far better than 300 houses. Hopefully the deer will love the fresh grass.
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So, I'm a bit confused by the thread title.


And yes. Red tail.
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It looks like ass now, but the greatest power of nature is that of renewal. In 5 years time it will be the equivalent of the burn area. Open space is not all bad.
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Ok , fill me in .

Creating "small" open spaces is a game management tool , to provide edge habitat and variety of grasses , for improved habitat vs solid mature forrest . Those would be more typically 5- 50 acres , but 150ac isn't very far out of line.

OP states the grass is already started , and doesn't expect serious erosion .

Yeah , it would be a shock to see it unexpectedly. But ( presuming the grass fully takes w/o erosion issues ), am I missing something terrible ?

Given the preponderance of surrounding woods in the Pic , and the proposed use as ( hayfield ? Pasture ? ) , I would guesstimate the wildlife effects long term to at least break even , if not be improved .
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Ok , fill me in .

Creating "small" open spaces is a game management tool , to provide edge habitat and variety of grasses , for improved habitat vs solid mature forrest . Those would be more typically 5- 50 acres , but 150ac isn't very far out of line.

OP states the grass is already started , and doesn't expect serious erosion .

Yeah , it would be a shock to see it unexpectedly. But ( presuming the grass fully takes w/o erosion issues ), am I missing something terrible ?

Given the preponderance of surrounding woods in the Pic , and the proposed use as ( hayfield ? Pasture ? ) , I would guesstimate the wildlife effects long term to at least break even , if not be improved .
Agreed.

The only worry I can see is allowing invasive plant species to take over, should this plan fall out of enthusiasm. Even still, CRP is a good thing too.
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So, I'm a bit confused by the thread title.


And yes. Red tail.
Simple, he didn't leave as much as a stick. Sold off MANY semi's of timber, that's OK trees are a crop. IMO he should have either thinned the forest or left patches of trees.... which he didn't. His lumbermen said that the forest was long overdue to be cut but hey what do I know?

I doubt any invasive garbage will find its way there other than via birdshit.
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Simple, he didn't leave as much as a stick. Sold off MANY semi's of timber, that's OK trees are a crop. IMO he should have either thinned the forest or left patches of trees.... which he didn't. His lumbermen said that the forest was long overdue to be cut but hey what do I know?

I doubt any invasive garbage will find its way there other than via birdshit.
Bottom line is its his land and he can do whatever with it. The previous owners wishes are irrelevant.
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