Trump administration moves to ban bump stocks

ironpony said:

What else should be banned?

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The ATF rules that all matter in the universe is a machine gun and violates existing law.

Bigfoot21075 : Seems fine.

Bigfoot21075 said:

Just a casual observation friend. Trump has done TREMENDOUS good for our country and is worthy of a strong defense. IMHO this is an excellent political move in what appears to be coordination with the NRA. This shows he is not beholden to any gun lobby and is will to do what the left likes to call "sensible". This will help with other FAR more important 2a issue that are surely coming.

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Sorry but I don't praise unconstitutional acts by any politician regardless of their affiliation or what "tremendous" things they have done

I generally like what Trump has done in his presidency, but I'm not down with this at all (add to that his support for the Red Flag crap-ola). I especially hate how he made up his mind that these contraptions were "machine guns" and then forced ATF to go against their already established judgement and say "just kidding... these are bad".

I predict a pretty rapid reversal on arm braces too. Soon to be defined as SBRs. I hope it doesn't happen, but I fear it might. Mags over 10 rounds could be classified as DD under the same lack of logic. The door is unfortunately wide open now.

I hope that the judges that Trump nominates have more fidelity to the Constitution than he does.

Bigfoot21075 said:

This will help with other FAR more important 2a issue that are surely coming.

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Help how? Allow the ATF to take "backsies" on everything else they determined was ok?

Bigfoot21075 said:

No, he is picking his battles - this is a good move by Trump. Bump stocks are just a way to get around an existing law. If people want full auto that is the law they need to change.

Besides with practice, you don't need the device to shoot like you have it.

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Yeah, it's a great move if he wants to be a one term president.

Bigfoot21075 said:

I am not aware of anything else whose sole purpose is to do an end run around an existing, well established law. THAT is where the focus should be, on the established law.

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Pistol braces.

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The shocking part was that Obama's BATFE allowed this cat out of the bag. Having said that, it is "out of the bag" - and the effort to unring the bell is infringement. If Congress wanted to do what BATFE is doing they would at least be in their lane (and we could let the courts sort it out, not that such notion has historically worked well for us). To have BATFE rewrite the rules to "interpret" that which requires no interpretation is illogical, violates the canons of construction, and is [again] infringement. The fact that the NRA, Trump, and some supposed friends of the 2A have bowed to pressure from socialist thugs in the media tells us all we need to know about their backbones. What is just and proper remains just and proper, even if it becomes uncomfortable. I personally think bumpstocks are a cute gimmick and lead to a waste of perfectly good ammunition, but they are legal.

We should start referring to this as the "Trump NRA bump stock ban".

Bigfoot21075 said:

Just a casual observation friend. Trump has done TREMENDOUS good for our country and is worthy of a strong defense. IMHO this is an excellent political move in what appears to be coordination with the NRA. This shows he is not beholden to any gun lobby and is will to do what the left likes to call "sensible". This will help with other FAR more important 2a issue that are surely coming.

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What other 2a issues is he helping? The SHARE Act was shelved, and i see nothing else 2a positive coming down the line. Seems to me that Trump has been a net loss for 2a so far.

Decoy said:

We should start referring to this as the "Trump NRA bump stock ban".

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Yep

Bigfoot21075 said:

I am not aware of anything else whose sole purpose is to do an end run around an existing, well established law. THAT is where the focus should be, on the established law.

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80% builds

Bigfoot21075 said:

I am not aware of anything else whose sole purpose is to do an end run around an existing, well established law. THAT is where the focus should be, on the established law.

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So you are fine with 80%, Good.

Bigfoot21075 said:

Just a casual observation friend. Trump has done TREMENDOUS good for our country and is worthy of a strong defense. IMHO this is an excellent political move in what appears to be coordination with the NRA. This shows he is not beholden to any gun lobby and is will to do what the left likes to call "sensible". This will help with other FAR more important 2a issue that are surely coming.

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Been hearing this for years, usually after a 2A item is lost, do you know something I don't ?

Doctor_M said:

I generally like what Trump has done in his presidency, but I'm not down with this at all (add to that his support for the Red Flag crap-ola). I especially hate how he made up his mind that these contraptions were "machine guns" and then forced ATF to go against their already established judgement and say "just kidding... these are bad".

I predict a pretty rapid reversal on arm braces too. Soon to be defined as SBRs. I hope it doesn't happen, but I fear it might. Mags over 10 rounds could be classified as DD under the same lack of logic. The door is unfortunately wide open now.

I hope that the judges that Trump nominates have more fidelity to the Constitution than he does.

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Link to Trump supporting the Red Flag law?

Bigfoot21075 said:

Link to Trump supporting the Red Flag law?

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I saw him say it. "I like taking the guns first". FWIW

SCV/SAR Patriot said:

Sorry but I don't praise unconstitutional acts by any politician regardless of their affiliation or what "tremendous" things they have done

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I agree - shall not be infringed IS shall not be infringed. However, that is no longer reality, we are living in a more and more liberal dominated country. Unless we can motivate our side to action, it will only get worse.

I also respect your opinion.

Bigfoot21075 said:

I am not aware of anything else whose sole purpose is to do an end run around an existing, well established law. THAT is where the focus should be, on the established law.

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Semi Auto Firearms
26"+ Firearms
Pistol Braces
3D Printing
Technical Data
Home Made Firearms
Folding/Collapsing Stocks
Flash Hiders
Muzzle Brakes
Suppressors
Precision Rifles
Angled Forward Grips
Binary Triggers
Aftermarket Triggers
Standard Capacity Magazines
High Capacity Magazines
A.P. or Incendiary Ammo
Belt Fed Semi Autos
Body Armor
I.R./N.V.

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inkd said:

Yeah, it's a great move if he wants to be a one term president.

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Allowing this issue to make him a 1 term president is utterly stupid;

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Bigfoot21075 said:

I agree - shall not be infringed IS shall not be infringed. However, that is no longer reality, we are living in a more and more liberal dominated country. Unless we can motivate our side to action, it will only get worse.

I also respect your opinion.

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Give the bastards and inch and they will take a mile. For as long as I can recall we have given in to their talking points of "common sense" gun control in the hope that once they have what they deem to be common sense they will go away.

Not. One. More. God. Damned. Inch.

You suggest that it is only a little infringement relatively speaking so we should just deal with it because the times are changing? Fvck that.