Even LE are now reduced to smaller magazines, CRAZY!!

East2West · Dec 17, 2018

TexDefender said:
No need to circle back. As I have stated before what I think is the left will do their very best to split up the Pro 2A block and there seems to be a few here that are falling for it. That is pretty specific. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, just like you are entitled to yours. Since it is a NJ proposal, the gun owners in NJ should be working with the cops union to get it and other bills like that overturned. In regards to "This thread shows that the anti-2A folks are successful." Just look at snide remarks by some individuals. It shows this tactic is working, instead of growing our "Tent" so to speak, we are more worried about who is right and split us up into different camps. Instead of working as a team to get things like this overturned or killed.

"So you're ok with police being afforded rights that non-police don't get? Why not, people that have HQL's can buy firearms that people without one can't. Because one created class has it and the other doesn't. So then no one should have firearms, by that logic.

You're ok with police being able to carry magazines that non-police can't own? Do I like it? No. But I don't see the need to ostracize anyone or spurn a group of individuals. Nor do I see the need to make a tough job even tougher if that can be helped.

Interesting. Seems like the NJ Cops Union "addressed the errors" with this bill, they seem to have forgotten about everyone that isnt an LEO while fixing it though :sign07:

Someone should tell them they are playing right into the Anti-2A crowds hand doing this.

RepublicOfFranklin · Dec 18, 2018

East2West said:
Interesting. Seems like the NJ Cops Union "addressed the errors" with this bill, they seem to have forgotten about everyone that isnt an LEO while fixing it though

Someone should tell them they are playing right into the Anti-2A crowds hand doing this.

Somehow I’m not surprised. NJ union are themselves part of the anti-2A crowd. Look at how fast they act when they have to live like the rest of us peons.

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Norton · Dec 18, 2018

East2West said:
Interesting. Seems like the NJ Cops Union "addressed the errors" with this bill, they seem to have forgotten about everyone that isnt an LEO while fixing it though

Someone should tell them they are playing right into the Anti-2A crowds hand doing this.

But according to those that never seem to understand the anger at the "what applies to thee but not to me" mentality, they tell us that continuing to exempt law enforcement is a good thing and that continually creating carveouts in legislations is part of a long term winning strategy. :sad20:

I'm sure all of those NJ LEOs will now be rushing to their legislature to rally in favor of the common man's rights.

TexDefender · Dec 18, 2018

East2West said:
Interesting. Seems like the NJ Cops Union "addressed the errors" with this bill, they seem to have forgotten about everyone that isnt an LEO while fixing it though

Someone should tell them they are playing right into the Anti-2A crowds hand doing this.

Or maybe the only gun owners that are left are cops, then again maybe the gun owners in NJ just don't care. But you are so quick and wise, maybe you should go to NJ and tell them what you have been espousing here.

44man · Dec 18, 2018

Norton said:
But according to those that never seem to understand the anger at the "what applies to thee but not to me" mentality, they tell us that continuing to exempt law enforcement is a good thing and that continually creating carveouts in legislations is part of a long term winning strategy.

I'm sure all of those NJ LEOs will now be rushing to their legislature to rally in favor of the common man's rights.

Yes sir, it’s a winning strategy for LEO everywhere.

This shows exactly what people on this board are saying, cops will fight for their extra rights but they never fight for the rights of the average citizens.

And of course the legislature will fix this for LEO’s, they have to keep their enforcers happy.

John from MD · Dec 18, 2018

I know that most people on this board think that we are all the same so we should be treated all the same when it comes to owning firearms.

The attached link is a good example why some Public Safety personnel are treated a little differently. You see, while many run from danger and gunfire, they run towards it. Sometimes it means that they don't get to go home to their loved ones and a nice warm bed.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-chicag...g-suspects-are-struck-killed-by-train-reports

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Perhaps some of you should do a ride along or join your local police benevolent association and get to know these young men and women a little better.

44man · Dec 18, 2018

John from MD said:
I know that most people on this board think that we are all the same so we should be treated all the same when it comes to owning firearms.

The attached link is a good example why some Public Safety personnel are treated a little differently. You see, while many run from danger and gunfire, they run towards it. Sometimes it means that they don't get to go home to their loved ones and a nice warm bed.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-chicag...g-suspects-are-struck-killed-by-train-reports

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Perhaps some of you should do a ride along or join your local police benevolent association and get to know these young men and women a little better.

You absolutely positively don’t have to be a cop for John 15 13 to apply to you

No one deserves more of our Rights because of their chosen profession

Plenty of brave vets out there that can’t get a md permit, hell, some don’t want vets to have any 2a rights

whistlersmother · Dec 18, 2018

44man said:
Yes sir, it’s a winning strategy for LEO everywhere.

This shows exactly what people on this board are saying, cops will fight for their extra rights but they never fight for the rights of the average citizens.

And of course the legislature will fix this for LEO’s, they have to keep their enforcers happy.

Nail meet hammer. It would make no difference in our 2A rights fight if the police testified for or against infringements. But the LEO carve-outs are sacrosanct.

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ironpony · Dec 18, 2018

44man said:
Yes sir, it’s a winning strategy for LEO everywhere.

This shows exactly what people on this board are saying, cops will fight for their extra rights but they never fight for the rights of the average citizens.

And of course the legislature will fix this for LEO’s, they have to keep their enforcers happy.

East2West said:
Interesting. Seems like the NJ Cops Union "addressed the errors" with this bill, they seem to have forgotten about everyone that isnt an LEO while fixing it though

Someone should tell them they are playing right into the Anti-2A crowds hand doing this.

Excellent point!

Hawkeye · Dec 18, 2018

John from MD said:
I know that most people on this board think that we are all the same so we should be treated all the same when it comes to owning firearms.

The attached link is a good example why some Public Safety personnel are treated a little differently.

So you're ok with cops having more rights than the rest of us because of their jobs?

That's exactly the line of thinking that winds up with us having to have a "good and substantial reason" to exercise our rights, or with 10 round mags for everyone except police, or police with rifles that non-police can't have. Why is a cop's life "worth" a 10+ round magazine when mine or my son's isn't? Why is a cop's life "worth" a pre-ban rifle when mine or my wife's isn't?

It's an indefensible position unless you don't actually believe that the 2nd amendment should apply to everyone equally, and if you don't believe that, well, our whole system goes in the can.

East2West · Dec 18, 2018

John from MD said:
I know that most people on this board think that we are all the same so we should be treated all the same when it comes to owning firearms.

The attached link is a good example why some Public Safety personnel are treated a little differently. You see, while many run from danger and gunfire, they run towards it. Sometimes it means that they don't get to go home to their loved ones and a nice warm bed.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-chicag...g-suspects-are-struck-killed-by-train-reports

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Perhaps some of you should do a ride along or join your local police benevolent association and get to know these young men and women a little better.

Yeah and sometimes they cower behind concrete planters while children are slaughtered inside a school.

rambling_one · Dec 18, 2018

whistlersmother said:
It would make no difference in our 2A rights fight if the police testified for or against infringements. But the LEO carve-outs are sacrosanct.

I’ll always be indebted to the several sheriffs who testified in Annapolis. And Jack McCauley’s crusade on our behalf. Stand up guys to be sure. Problem is there aren’t enough of ‘em.

rbird7282 · Dec 18, 2018

gwchem said:
I'm with the unpopular guys here. No off-duty cop should have rights under the law that we civilians don't have. Plain and simple. Either open it up to everyone, or take them away from the cops as well as civilians.

Agree , except I would say on or off duty.

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rbird7282 · Dec 18, 2018

Norton said:
But according to those that never seem to understand the anger at the "what applies to thee but not to me" mentality, they tell us that continuing to exempt law enforcement is a good thing and that continually creating carveouts in legislations is part of a long term winning strategy.

I'm sure all of those NJ LEOs will now be rushing to their legislature to rally in favor of the common man's rights.

Yeah I’ll just sit here and hold my breath waiting for that...

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ed bernay · Dec 18, 2018

East2West said:
Yeah and sometimes they cower behind concrete planters while children are slaughtered inside a school.

John from MD said:
I know that most people on this board think that we are all the same so we should be treated all the same when it comes to owning firearms.

The attached link is a good example why some Public Safety personnel are treated a little differently. You see, while many run from danger and gunfire, they run towards it. Sometimes it means that they don't get to go home to their loved ones and a nice warm bed.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-chicag...g-suspects-are-struck-killed-by-train-reports

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Perhaps some of you should do a ride along or join your local police benevolent association and get to know these young men and women a little better.

Besides the constitutional right to keep and bear arms, this is why non uniformed citizens should be at least as equally as armed as the police because most of the time they are not around when the SHTF

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-ch...e-a-good-guy-with-gun-takes-down-mass-shooter

Tungsten · Dec 18, 2018

John from MD said:
You see, while many run from danger and gunfire, they run towards it. Sometimes it means that they don't get to go home to their loved ones and a nice warm bed.

There are 1000s of ordinary citizens every year who don't get to make the choice to run to or from danger. The danger comes and finds them, and they don't get to go home to their loved ones either.

randomuser · Dec 18, 2018

Why would any one person have more of a right to defense than any other?

The golden rule
If you feel that you should have max rounds to defend then why would anyone else not be afforded the same? Is your defense any more important?

TexDefender · Dec 18, 2018

East2West said:
Interesting. Seems like the NJ Cops Union "addressed the errors" with this bill, they seem to have forgotten about everyone that isnt an LEO while fixing it though

Someone should tell them they are playing right into the Anti-2A crowds hand doing this.

Seems NJ citizens didn't care or never contacted them and explained thier point of view.

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fidelity · Dec 18, 2018

East2West said:
Interesting. Seems like the NJ Cops Union "addressed the errors" with this bill, they seem to have forgotten about everyone that isnt an LEO while fixing it though

Someone should tell them they are playing right into the Anti-2A crowds hand doing this.

TexDefender said:
Or maybe the only gun owners that are left are cops, then again maybe the gun owners in NJ just don't care. But you are so quick and wise, maybe you should go to NJ and tell them what you have been espousing here.

TexDefender said:
Seems NJ citizens didn't care or never contacted them and explained thier point of view.

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You responded to the same post twice, and the second time more peevishly. You're not a stupid guy, although you at times insinuate others are. Can we expect a third reply as you better formulate your argument in defense of anti 2A measures?

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TexDefender · Dec 18, 2018

fidelity said:
You responded to the same post twice, and the second time more peevishly. You're not a stupid guy, although you at times insinuate others are. Can we expect a third reply as you better formulate your argument in defense of anti 2A measures?

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Nope, I'm done with this.

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