FINALLY - Hogans letter concerning HB1302

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  • ericahls

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    Aug 31, 2011
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    Elkridge MD
    Attached is the letter that Hogan sent to Chairman Joesph F. Vallario, Jr. and Members of the House Judiciary
     

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    adit

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    Feb 20, 2013
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    That letter is a little late isn't it? This should have been sent weeks ago.
     

    platoonDaddy

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    Jun 30, 2011
    4,112
    SouthOfBalto
    While the court is determining "by clear and convincing evidence the individual poses a significant danger to themselves or others", what happens to that persons firearms?

    Slippery slope! Too little, tooooooooo late.
     

    basscat

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    Jul 23, 2012
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    Translation: I like this bill. I will sign this bill. Just voicing concerns to cover my ass.
     

    ericahls

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    Aug 31, 2011
    672
    Elkridge MD
    That letter is a little late isn't it? This should have been sent weeks ago.

    He did, sent it March 1. So all this time the MGA as know about Hogans concerns. So when we get the final language of the bill we will see if Hogans concerns were addressed and if not does Hogan shrug his shoulders and say oh well and let it become law.
     

    Rack&Roll

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    Jan 23, 2013
    22,304
    Bunkerville, MD
    None of the stipulations below were met! Due Process delayed is Due Process denied.

    From the letter:
    As the Committee considers House Bill 1302, we urge due process considerations, such as a high evidentiary standard in order to issue a lethal violence protective order, an opportunity for the respondent to address the petition made against him or her, expedited hearing timelines, and a limited scope of who can petition the court under this process be given proper consideration.
     

    pbharvey

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    Dec 27, 2012
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    Attached is the letter that Hogan sent to Chairman Joesph F. Vallario, Jr. and Members of the House Judiciary

    That letter is dated March 1 and I assume is his response to the first version of the bill, not the final version.
     

    ericahls

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    Aug 31, 2011
    672
    Elkridge MD
    Final version has been up on the legislative website since Tuesday:

    http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2018RS/bills/hb/hb1302e.pdf

    So if I read this bill correctly, one hell of a lot of redactions, the 'neighborhood bag lady' can't take your guns.

    I didn't completely digest the entire bill but it does look like not just any irate neighbor can make some anonymous call and say you are a threat and have an order issued. The petitioner for an order must first identify themselves and their relationship to the respondent, which are limited in scope, and present some form of evidence that a judge reviews.

    It sure isn't as horrible as I first heard, any 'interested party', I mean that right there was a complete deal breaker.

    The thing that mostly upsets me about the bill is that it singles out a specific group of people, gun owners. Kinda violates the 14 amendment. I still am foggy on the recourse the respondent has if it turns out that an ex girlfriend was being untruthful with her claim.
     

    iH8DemLibz

    When All Else Fails.
    Apr 1, 2013
    25,396
    Libtardistan
    So if I read this bill correctly, one hell of a lot of redactions, the 'neighborhood bag lady' can't take your guns.

    I didn't completely digest the entire bill but it does look like not just any irate neighbor can make some anonymous call and say you are a threat and have an order issued. The petitioner for an order must first identify themselves and their relationship to the respondent and present some form of evidence that a judge reviews.

    It sure isn't as horrible as I first heard, any 'interested party', I mean that right there was a complete deal breaker.

    The thing that mostly upsets me about the bill is that it singles out a specific group of people, gun owners. Kinda violates the 14 amendment. I still am foggy on the recourse the respondent has if it turns out that an ex girlfriend was being untruthful with her claim.

    That any irate neighbor can lie their any irate neighbor assoff and convince a police officer to initiate the ERPO.

    Because any random police officer can, based on HB1302 language, initiate an ERPO.

    The sneaky MGA made certain to keep that in their bill.
     

    dist1646

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    May 1, 2012
    8,734
    Eldersburg
    When you support the policies of the enemy, what does that make you? Certainly not my friend! Continuing to retreat will never result in victory, at some point you must counter and do so decisively! Problem is, people in this state are so used to retreating, they have lost the will to counter and no longer remember how to. Liberty in this state is enduring the death of a thousand cuts.
     

    ericahls

    Active Member
    Aug 31, 2011
    672
    Elkridge MD
    That any irate neighbor can lie their any irate neighbor assoff and convince a police officer to initiate the ERPO.

    Because any random police officer can, based on HB1302 language, initiate an ERPO.

    The sneaky MGA made certain to keep that in their bill.

    FYI cop cant issue an ERPO. He must petition the court for one.

    Yeah but in that case the officer would then be lying to the commissioner about where there evidence came from. He must swear under penalty of perjury that the information and evidence he is giving is true. So if the cop is buddies with the irate neighbor and file on their behalf, the cop is going to have to explain how he knows all those negative things about you.

    Very hard to pull that off and when it is found out that none of that was true the cop would have some explaining to do.

    The only way a cop would file against you is that if your irate neighbor called the cops and the cops came out to your house and you answered the door with your AR screaming "you'll never take me alive pig". Then maybe you will get the order.
     

    ericahls

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    Aug 31, 2011
    672
    Elkridge MD
    When you support the policies of the enemy, what does that make you? Certainly not my friend! Continuing to retreat will never result in victory, at some point you must counter and do so decisively! Problem is, people in this state are so used to retreating, they have lost the will to counter and no longer remember how to. Liberty in this state is enduring the death of a thousand cuts.

    Don't mistake my comments for retreating or giving in. I am simply stating what I have read and how that is different from the bag lady taking your guns.
     

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