Dick's sued in over age limit sales in Oregon and Michigan

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  • wolfwood

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    Aug 24, 2011
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    These are slam dunk cases because state law expressly protects age.
    http://volokh.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FultonvDicksSportingGoods.pdf

    http://reason.com/volokh/2018/03/07/michigan-lawsuit-against-dicks-sporting
    In Fulton v. Dick's Sporting Goods, Inc., filed yesterday, an 18-year-old plaintiff is suing over Dick's refusing -- based on his age -- to sell him a rifle. Michigan law categorically prohibits age discrimination except where allowed by other provisions (which would include laws banning alcohol sales to under-21-year-olds, the federal law banning handgun sales by licensed gun dealers to under-21-year-olds, and the like):

    Except where permitted by law, a person shall not:

    (a) Deny an individual the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation or public service [which includes retailers -EV] because of religion, race, color, national origin, age, sex, or marital status.

    (b) Print, circulate, post, mail, or otherwise cause to be published a statement, advertisement, notice, or sign which indicates that the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation or public service will be refused, withheld from, or denied an individual because of religion, race, color, national origin, age, sex, or marital status, or that an individual's patronage of or presence at a place of public accommodation is objectionable, unwelcome, unacceptable, or undesirable because of religion, race, color, national origin, age, sex, or marital status.

    Plaintiff is seeking damages, injunctions, costs, and attorney fees. (Under the Michigan statute, sec. 37.2802, a court is authorized but not required to award costs and attorney fees to prevailing plaintiffs.) I don't know of any provision in Michigan law that "permit" refusing to sell rifles or shotguns to 18-to-20-year-olds, so this seems like a winning claim, like the Oregon lawsuit against Dick's and Walmart that I blogged about yesterday.

    My question: Doesn't Dick Sporting Goods have a legal department? I'd think a company with stores nationwide would realize that age discrimination might be illegal in some states, would quickly review what those states might be, and would then simply set up a policy that excludes them. True, the companies are presumably trying to make a public statement with their no-gun-sales-to-under-21-year-olds policy; but that statement shouldn't be much diluted by an exception for some states when the explanation for the exception is that they have to comply with the law. And now the news is shifting to "Dick's Sporting Goods being sued for illegal discrimination" instead of "Dick's Sporting Goods is taking a stand to try to prevent gun crime," which was presumably Dick's goal.

    Nor are these some sorts of obscure laws that would be a surprise even to company lawyers. Perhaps some city and county ordinances might be, though I take it that retailers are aware that localities sometimes have special rules; but state antidiscrimination laws, including ones that reach far beyond federal law, are well-known, and the fact that different states have different rules is, too. It shouldn't be a surprise that, even if many states don't ban age discrimination in retail sales, a substantial minority of states does. And nationwide bricks-and-mortar retailers must have learned over the decades that they need to think about laws being different in different states.

    Now perhaps I'm expecting too much -- perhaps it's just that mistakes happen in business, and the failure to properly vet the policy is one of them. Or perhaps this wasn't a mistake, and Dick's deliberately thought that a blanket policy, even if it's illegal in some states, would get it much more public relations punch than a policy that excepted some states. Or perhaps the Dick's management has such a firm moral opposition to sales of rifles and shotguns to 18-to-20-year-olds that it doesn't mind a few lawsuits (though I suspect that, while some corporate managers are militantly opposed to selling guns, few would be fine with selling guns to 21-year-olds, but be so firmly opposed to selling to 20-year-olds that they'd deliberately violate the law as a result). In any case, this failure to take into account state antidiscrimination laws seemed like an odd business decision
     

    Sealion

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    May 19, 2016
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    I can only laugh. Dicks is a very poorly run business. They forgot to check with legal, I guess. This is par for the course.

    Exactly. Number 1 thing you learn early working for a corporation, check with Legal.
     

    Rus

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    Nov 27, 2017
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    This is just a publicity stunt, to get worked-up anti-'s in the door. They can now say " we tried to do the righteous thing, but the Administration forced us to sell these guns to kids".

    I suspect they would not have pulled this during deer season....
     

    cms1528

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    Feb 26, 2013
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    Make certain when you file your MD lawsuit it's in a gun friendly county, just in case it saw a jury.
     

    magnumpi

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    Jan 16, 2013
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    Westminster MD
    My son turned 18 just 3 days ago and he jokingly said he was gonna go attempt to buy a gun at Dicks just so he could sue when they refused. Maybe not such a bad idea now.....
     

    GolfR

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    Oct 20, 2016
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    Columbia MD
    These retailers will have a hard decision to make, back off from their decision or stop selling guns all together. I fear that the second may be the way they go.
     

    AlanInSilverSpring

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    Apr 25, 2017
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    When I heard about this absurdity I had the same question.

    Legal drinking age is 21 everywhere, could a bar deny service to someone 25 ? if THEY decided to only serve people 26 and over
     

    jrumann59

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    Feb 17, 2011
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    The question is can private entities infringe on a right. I am not defending them but looking at legally. If I invited everyone over to my house but made the request no one is allowed to curse, if you curse you will be removed from house. Is that 1st amendment infringement?
     

    Anotherpyr

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    This is just a publicity stunt, to get worked-up anti-'s in the door. They can now say " we tried to do the righteous thing, but the Administration forced us to sell these guns to kids".

    I suspect they would not have pulled this during deer season....

    I believe the phrase is ‘virtue signaling’

    If they really felt that strongly about it they would just stop selling guns.
     

    magnumpi

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    Jan 16, 2013
    377
    Westminster MD
    This isn't a constitutional rights issue it's about discrimination. I don't know the discrimination laws in MD or other states, but I'd bet there are some on the books that would apply.
    What if Dicks suddenly made a policy that they would not sell guns to anyone over 65 because they feel that age group can no longer be trusted with firearms?........
     

    jrumann59

    DILLIGAF
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    Feb 17, 2011
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    This isn't a constitutional rights issue it's about discrimination. I don't know the discrimination laws in MD or other states, but I'd bet there are some on the books that would apply.
    What if Dicks suddenly made a policy that they would not sell guns to anyone over 65 because they feel that age group can no longer be trusted with firearms?........

    I understand but for it to be discrimination, and I could be wrong, they would have to bar anyone of an age group from entering or purchasing anything.
     

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