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  • eruby

    Confederate Jew
    MDS Supporter
    Interesting piece in the latest Bill of Rights Sentinel from JPFO.org

    http://jpfo.org/pdf03/sentinel-final-11-lo.pdf

    If “enemies foreign,” like North Koreans, came for your guns, you would probably shoot to stop them. But what if “enemies domestic” came for your guns? Would you shoot? Or, better stated, is it worth dying for your country? (Because that’s what will happen to you.) I have decided that, given the state of my fellow countrymen, my answer is “No.”


    I also like the 'Million Skekel Quiz' on page 2.
     

    steves1911

    Ultimate Member
    Dec 2, 2011
    3,026
    On a hill in Wv
    Damn straight it's worth it. Folks behind enemy lines may not stand a chance but others entrenched in free America could ban together for one hell of a resistance. Who they gonna send? I can't see military leaders following unlawful orders . Maybe some will but certainly not all and hopefully less than half. It would be an awfull thing and I pray that day never comes. I hope to live out the rest of my days without ever having to fire another shot in anger but if that day ever comes I'm prepared.
     

    willtill

    The Dude Abides
    MDS Supporter
    May 15, 2007
    24,337
    Interesting piece in the latest Bill of Rights Sentinel from JPFO.org

    http://jpfo.org/pdf03/sentinel-final-11-lo.pdf




    I also like the 'Million Skekel Quiz' on page 2.

    Key point is the definition of "domestic enemies" from that quote. Are domestic enemies entities or bodies that do not follow established law(s)? Or are they entities or bodies that encourage armed insurrection against the sitting government?

    Very tough definition to define and how it applies to those with special interests. Most every cause could wear that shoe.

    Where is the line drawn?



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    Huckleberry

    No One of Consequence
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    Oct 19, 2007
    23,316
    Severn & Lewes
    I defer to GSP.......

    No man ever won a war by dying for his country. Wars were won by making the other poor bastard die for his.

    As for me.....

    And Yes, Our Country is worth all the fighting and killing to keep and protect this republic for future generations.
     

    Huckleberry

    No One of Consequence
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    Oct 19, 2007
    23,316
    Severn & Lewes
    One thing this article and other gun grab articles forget is that these “government officials” from Katrina to USVI acted out against individuals and not an armed group of people.

    During Katrina, in a few parts of Nola, neighbors barricaded their streets and guarded the barricades with guns to prevent looting. Amazingly, the police bypassed those streets during their confiscations attempts.

    To paraphrase Ben Franklin,

    It is better to stand together than hang separately
     

    GUNSnROTORS

    nude member
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 7, 2013
    3,620
    hic sunt dracones
    Received the latest JFPO Sentinel via snail-mail yesterday.

    Yes, interesting article.

    Not applicable to me considering the tragic boating accident. And now that our resident submariner got himself banned over boogers, all hope is lost. ;)
     

    DanGuy48

    Ultimate Member
    Maybe someone can explain to me how we are empowered to rise up and overthrow a tyrannical government when we have such a law as below. It seems obvious that the view now is that actively resisting government is a criminal act punishable by death.

    "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)"

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381
     

    dplay

    Active Member
    Mar 27, 2016
    343
    A.A. co. north
    Maybe someone can explain to me how we are empowered to rise up and overthrow a tyrannical government when we have such a law as below. It seems obvious that the view now is that actively resisting government is a criminal act punishable by death.

    "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)"

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

    And Jane Fonda considers running for Congress.
     

    Schipperke

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 19, 2013
    18,545
    Government will label you an obsessed,
    mentally unstable, gun nut

    With all the $10 CC charges to MSP and my transfer FFL driving a Benz now, I'm most likely already on it.
     

    willtill

    The Dude Abides
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    May 15, 2007
    24,337
    Maybe someone can explain to me how we are empowered to rise up and overthrow a tyrannical government when we have such a law as below. It seems obvious that the view now is that actively resisting government is a criminal act punishable by death.

    "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)"

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

    That is EXACTLY the conundrum that faces many of us. If one decide upon themselves to uphold the Constitution through their interpretations; they risk becoming the very domestic enemy as defined.


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    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,643
    PA
    One thing this article and other gun grab articles forget is that these “government officials” from Katrina to USVI acted out against individuals and not an armed group of people.

    During Katrina, in a few parts of Nola, neighbors barricaded their streets and guarded the barricades with guns to prevent looting. Amazingly, the police bypassed those streets during their confiscations attempts.

    To paraphrase Ben Franklin,

    It is better to stand together than hang separately

    There are a lot of examples like above where peaceful armed citizens were able to stop unlawful orders from being carried out, like most protest or resistance, a single person will be made an example of, a small group might be left alone, then pursued later through the courts, or slaughtered up front.
    Larger groups though, will usually come out on top, or at least be left alone.
     

    babalou

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 12, 2013
    16,020
    Glenelg
    Thanks for this

    One thing this article and other gun grab articles forget is that these “government officials” from Katrina to USVI acted out against individuals and not an armed group of people.

    During Katrina, in a few parts of Nola, neighbors barricaded their streets and guarded the barricades with guns to prevent looting. Amazingly, the police bypassed those streets during their confiscations attempts.

    To paraphrase Ben Franklin,

    It is better to stand together than hang separately

    I did not know this. All I saw and read about were when the police would see a person on their roof trying to protect theirs and the rifles were confiscated. I was angry over that. Now, if the police just bypassed due to not having to worry about that neighborhood, then great. but, if only because of the mass of armed people, my faith would then be shaken.
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,738
    Socialist State of Maryland
    Maybe someone can explain to me how we are empowered to rise up and overthrow a tyrannical government when we have such a law as below. It seems obvious that the view now is that actively resisting government is a criminal act punishable by death.

    "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)"

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

    It's been proven to work before.

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. :patriot:
     

    Blaster229

    God loves you, I don't.
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 14, 2010
    46,414
    Glen Burnie
    Every cop I have spoken to said that would be the day they quit if they were ordered to go house to house to confiscate. A guy in the Corps made a comment about seeing guys with Molon Labe tattoos while wearing a thin blue line hat and something like "How's that confiscation gonna work out for ya?" I was like " Oh, you mean like being in the military and doing what you're ordered to do?". Crickets.
     

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