Like mom is going to sign this.
If it passes both houses, MOM doesn't have to sign it to become law.
HB 521 HQL qualifies for Concealed Carry?
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If it passes both houses, MOM doesn't have to sign it to become law.
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
Am I missing something? Are some here swooning over this piece of legislation... that STILL CONTAINS GOOD AND SUBSTANTIAL?
Look again. It's 1 OR 2 (HQL OR G&S) NOT 1 AND 2 (HQL AND G&S)
Am I missing something? Are some here swooning over this piece of legislation... that STILL CONTAINS GOOD AND SUBSTANTIAL?
Go back and re-read the bill and the word OR at the end of section (1).
Section (2) still contains G&S, which does not apply to Section (1) that is being added.
Suspicious of what if I may ask?
- Apr 26, 2012
- 5,290
Ooops... OK... Thanks. I did miss that. It's bedtime for me so I'm a lil' drowsy...
I figured, but wanted to make sure. No problem, we all miss something sometime. Then someone comes along and helps us along.
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
Am I missing something? Are some here swooning over this piece of legislation... that STILL CONTAINS GOOD AND SUBSTANTIAL?
It does still include G&S, UNLESS you have an HQL which doesn't require G&S. That's why it isn't going anywhere as an end around G&S, and is likely intended to smoke out and label the anti's for what they are - hypocrites.
Ab_Normal
Ab_member
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
Maybe we can get a firm definition of G&S. Be interesting to get legislators admitting its about money and not defending your life. Especially with the stringent requirements in place for an HQL.
Mr H
Banana'd
G&S can be determined administratively, if someone would just make the call.
Of course, getting rid of it completely is better.
ShafTed
Ultimate Member
It seems that I remember reading somewhere that one of our training people said the MD HQL class would also be accepted for a non-resident Florida concealed carry permit?
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
After all of the stuff that has been crammed down our throats, that violate the 2A, I'm suspicious of anything that comes out of Annapolis. This still requires us to get an HQL, in order to apply for/get a CCW. If I am reading it correctly, you have to get your HQL or provide G&S in order to get CCW. IMO that is a way to force compliance to get an HQL to exercise a constitutional right.
It is possible that this can pave the way to eliminate G&S by proving that CCW holders are more lawful than criminals, but I highly doubt that the people in Annapolis will listen to reason and logic like that.
I see your points and all are valid, thank you for the candid answer DA.
I don't think it is meant as a way to "force compliance to get an HQL" but rather a way to have a pseudo shall issue state.
BTW, there is also a bill to eliminate G&S. It would be nice if someone also floated a bill to define G&S if removal of G&S fails. (more bites at the apple sort of thing).
hogarth
Ultimate Member
- Jun 13, 2009
- 2,504
If this SOMEHOW passed, I can't believe people here have an issue with it. I have a Utah CC permit and had to get fingerprinted and pay to get it. Same for the HQL. I for one think that--with the understanding that we are talking about MARYLAND--being able to use the HQL to carry would be awesome.
Even with the linking of shall issue to the HQL, acceptance of the HQL scheme requires that burden of proof and due process is required of the state for denial or revocation of the HQL from an individual; it can't simply be an administrative function outside of due process. Yeah, the prospect of shall issue is exciting. I can also see it simply being for the opposition to show their hypocrisy for elections and legal actions.
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
. Know anyone who might float that?Correct. It needs to be defined in order for their to be an actual bar to reach.
I'll take..... "We know it when we see it" for one thousand Alex.
What is this year's deadline for bill introduction with a guaranteed hearing date?
Mr H
Banana'd
I'll remember that moment forever.
Vallario crapped himself gaveling the room down from laughter.
