1943 Finnish captured M91/30, M38, and M44

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  • airbornetrooper

    Active Member
    Nov 9, 2017
    137
    VA
    I have always found post-1941 Finnish captured weapons from the Continuation War much more interesting than those captured during the Winter War. The main reason is that there are fewer of them, and the conditions under which they were captured were likely to be much more difficult from a logistical standpoint (much harder to collect and send captured rifles to the rear while you're retreating). The first year of the Continuation War saw Finnish advances along a broad front that then stagnated, with occasional Russian attacks, until 1944. With the exception of the battles fought near Medvezhyegorsk in 1942 and 1943, few large scale pitched battles occurred.

    From my experience, post-1941 Finnish captured rifles are much harder to come by than those made 1941 and prior. There is always the possibility that the rifles in question could have been part of the large German arms shipment of captured material that arrived in 1944, but from most sources these rifles were mostly in poor condition and good only for parts.

    Over the years I have managed to acquire the following:

    1943 Izhevsk M91/30: It is SA marked and sits in a beautiful Finnish produced M30 stock with the very late rectangular finger splices. In my opinion this rifle was likely rebuilt post-WWII. The bolt is Finnish force-matched, and nothing else matches.

    1943 Izhevsk M38: This is the best of the bunch. It is SA and D marked, but otherwise all original. Every piece is Izhevsk marked, and every serial is original matching with the correct Cyrillic prefix. I would venture a guess that its original owner did not even have a chance to throw away the bolt when they met their fate.

    1943 Izhevsk M44: This is what is known as a "trials" M44, but I hesitate to use that term as I have never seen any official Soviet documentation stating such. It is only D marked, but the bolt has been Finnish force-matched, which I have never observed on another Finnish captured carbine, M38 or M44. From my research, the Finns typically did not care for the Soviet carbines, and they made no specialty replacement parts for them (with a couple exceptions, see Vic's example on his site). The stock appears to be original as the buttplate matches, but the magazine floor plate does not.

    Someday I hope to add a Finnish captured Tula M91/30 from 1943 as well, but those are even more rare than the Izhevsk example I have (I know of 5).
     

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    CodeWarrior1241

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    Sep 23, 2013
    827
    Lutherville
    Thank you for posting this!

    Always hard to look at WW2 capture SA rifles - on one hand what the Soviets did to the Finns in 1940 was a crime of the highest order. OTOH these rifles were taken from dead men who could have been my relatives, by a force that was allied with Hitler.

    My grandfather fought on the Karelian front close to Finland, but against Germans, not Finns, to lift the siege of Leningrad.

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    h2u

    Village Idiot
    Jul 8, 2007
    6,694
    South County
    Great post, ABT!
    Good info and pictures. You're going to make more than a few collectors jealous with the captured M44s :D

    For the last few years, I've mostly been buying some captured 91/30s - due to cost of other Finn models being too expensive for me. One of my early collecting goals was to acquire Finn-captured 91/30s from each arsenal for as many years as possible.
    While I still have several holes, I think my range of existing years is '32 to '43. I'm pretty sure I have an all original matching Finned '42 91/30.

    While I don't have any post '42 Tulas, the one I'm still wanting the most is a Finned '41 Tula 91/30.

    Oh - and any 91/30 from '44 ;)
     

    airbornetrooper

    Active Member
    Nov 9, 2017
    137
    VA
    Great post, ABT!
    Good info and pictures. You're going to make more than a few collectors jealous with the captured M44s :D

    For the last few years, I've mostly been buying some captured 91/30s - due to cost of other Finn models being too expensive for me. One of my early collecting goals was to acquire Finn-captured 91/30s from each arsenal for as many years as possible.
    While I still have several holes, I think my range of existing years is '32 to '43. I'm pretty sure I have an all original matching Finned '42 91/30.

    While I don't have any post '42 Tulas, the one I'm still wanting the most is a Finned '41 Tula 91/30.

    Oh - and any 91/30 from '44 ;)

    Are you going to go back further than 1932 with the Finnish captures?

    Would love to see pictures of the original matching Finn captured 1942 M91/30. I have never seen a post-1941 Finnish capture M91/30 that is all original matching. I need to get around to posting my 1944 Finn captured M44 as well...
     

    K-43

    West of Morning Side
    Oct 20, 2010
    1,882
    PG
    Interesting post. I'm always amazed at the research and knowledge of collectors in different niches.
     

    h2u

    Village Idiot
    Jul 8, 2007
    6,694
    South County
    Are you going to go back further than 1932 with the Finnish captures?

    Would love to see pictures of the original matching Finn captured 1942 M91/30. I have never seen a post-1941 Finnish capture M91/30 that is all original matching. I need to get around to posting my 1944 Finn captured M44 as well...

    I'll go back as far as I'm lucky enough to find/purchase an earlier year of capture. Just haven't found any yet :D

    I'll email you some pics of the '42. I know I've posted some bad pics of my captured 44 around here somewhere. I'll poke around and try to find them this week.
     

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