Finnish Stock Discs

airbornetrooper · Jan 19, 2018

Just curious to see any other pre-war, brass Finnish stock discs present on rifles out there. Here are a few of mine:

1898 Sestroryetsk M91: Coastal Artillery Regiment 3
1904 Sestroryetsk M91: simple rack or barracks number
1911 Sestroryetsk M91: Field Artillery Regiment 2, 2nd Battalion
1915 New England Westinghouse M91: Reserve Officer School, Combat School
1916 Sestroryetsk M91: Engineer Battalion, Company H
1917 Remington M91: Helsinki Truck Company
1928 Tikka M27: Pohja Regiment, Signal Detachment
1928 Tikka M27: Keski-Suomen Regiment, Anti-Tank Gun Company
1933 Tikka M27: Savo Jäger Regiment, 1st Battalion
1935 Tikka M27: Jäger Battalion 3, Anti-Tank Gun Company

The discs themselves were usually removed after an order specifying such was sent out during either the Winter War or Continuation for security purposes. Needless to say, some of them escaped that fate for whatever reason

Red1917 · Jan 19, 2018

Holy crap nice collection. My m27 has a wartime replacement stock and so has no disc. Really cool to see all these thanks for posting

CodeWarrior1241 · Jan 19, 2018

That's very interesting, thank you for posting!

So, not only do you already have to get a Finn Mosin, it needs to be an example that didn't get beaten during the war too much? How rare is this to have?

Did Russian Imperial mosins have such disks inserted or is this a Finnish thing only?

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airbornetrooper · Jan 19, 2018

Red1917 said:
Holy crap nice collection. My m27 has a wartime replacement stock and so has no disc. Really cool to see all these thanks for posting

No problem. Glad you enjoyed them!

CodeWarrior1241 said:
That's very interesting, thank you for posting!

So, not only do you already have to get a Finn Mosin, it needs to be an example that didn't get beaten during the war too much? How rare is this to have?

Did Russian Imperial mosins have such disks inserted or is this a Finnish thing only?

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Neither the Russian imperial army nor the Soviet ever messed around with stock identification discs. For a Finnish stock disc to be legit, the rifle needs to be a pre-Winter War example. If you see, say a 1941 Tikka M91 with a stock disc on the butt, it is not original because the stock was recycled and put on a new production rifle.

I would say that most of my Finnish rifles with stock discs are fairly beat up. They would have needed to avoid any major refurbishments in their lifetimes however, otherwise the stocks would have been switched out for a nicer one, or at the least the disc would likely be removed. The latest dated Finnish rifle I have seen with a stock disc that I would 100% back as legit is dated 1935. I would estimate that around 2-3% of Finnish M27's retain their original discs, and less than 1% of Finnish used M91's retain their discs. in my opinion, the disc adds about 25% to the total value of the rifle.

There is another variety of Finnish stock discs that are zinc and have nails instead of screws. These all belong to one unit apparently, and they are all post-WWII discs. They do not have the same level of desirability.

Red1917 · Jan 19, 2018

I’d be really happy to find one with a disk, gives it a lot more history I think. Don’t think I’ve ever seen one in the wild. Curious how you figured out what they all mean, is there a reference for them somewhere?

airbornetrooper · Jan 19, 2018

Red1917 said:
I’d be really happy to find one with a disk, gives it a lot more history I think. Don’t think I’ve ever seen one in the wild. Curious how you figured out what they all mean, is there a reference for them somewhere?

This is pretty much my de facto reference for the abbreviations. It has very few errors. You'll want to scroll down a bit until you get to Martti's posts.

https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopic.php?t=101995

There is a gentleman in Finland that can actually research stock discs and Civil Guard numbers. From my experience he does a great job, but it isn't cheap (50 euros per rifle).

http://www.mosin.fi

As for the discs, I found one of my nine in the wild. All of the rest have been bought from other collectors or online.

h2u · Jan 19, 2018

Nice set of discs :thumbsup:

I only have four. 2 on 27s, 1 on an M24 (not original to rifle for obvious reasons), and the coolest one is on an M31.

I have several rifles that used to have a disc before being removed. But lots of Finns show evidence of that.

Congrats again on a very nice collection!!

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