Atf trace?!

zombiehunter · Jan 25, 2017

I came out of work today and had a voicemail. It was from the atf Trace office. They were they were asking me about a gun I bought in 2012. Since then mycnr has lapsed and I have sent got another one but there was probably two to three years between those times.

Can anyone shed some light on what they want or any other Insight would be appreciated

lee2 · Jan 25, 2017

do you still have it?
if it was sold to someone else it may have been reported stolen or used in a crime.

zoostation · Jan 25, 2017

Do you still have it?

StantonCree · Jan 25, 2017

Probably used in a crime and they are trying to see how it was purchased.

Boom Boom · Jan 25, 2017

If you still have it, maybe it was previously stolen and they tracked down who sold it to you.

zombiehunter · Jan 25, 2017

Came to me from aimsurplus. I'll have to look when I get home if I still have it. Worried I don't have my ledger since it was under my old license

jollymon · Jan 25, 2017

zombiehunter said:
Came to me from aimsurplus. I'll have to look when I get home if I still have it. Worried I don't have my ledger since it was under my old license

If it was on your old Ledger (I'm assuming you sent it in) tell them that and they have the Ledger.
If you still have it then look it up and ask them how best to correct this oversight. Your not going to jail over it.

eruby · Jan 25, 2017

jollymon said:
If it was on your old Ledger (I'm assuming you sent it in) tell them that and they have the Ledger.
If you still have it then look it up and ask them how best to correct this oversight. Your not going to jail over it.

If this is C&R, expired ledgers can be destroyed, not sent to ATF (unless you want to).

zombiehunter · Jan 25, 2017

She asked me for a 4473 on it...I kind of laughed and saidd I was a C&R so never had to do those. Otherwise she said I still have to keep my records...to which I replied I don't think so but will check when I get home.

Any citation for destroy expired ledger?

Thanks for the awesome and quick replies. Considering I just had a patient tell my boss I was cleaning her butt and talking about the hot sex I have with my gf...knowing I'm not going to jail certainly makes my day better

iH8DemLibz · Jan 25, 2017

Were you "Engaging In The Business"?

PS: I believe C&R records can be destroyed the moment your C&R has expired.

C&R folks do not have to maintain records for multiple decades like real FFL's do.

eruby · Jan 25, 2017

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=14616

Are licensed collectors required to turn in their acquisition/disposition records to ATF if their collector’s license is not renewed or they discontinue their collecting activity?

According to the ATF FAQ: No. The GCA requires the delivery of required records to the Government within 30 days after a firearms “business” is discontinued. A license as a collector of curios or relics does not authorize any business with respect to firearms. Therefore, the records required to be kept by licensed collectors under the law and regulations are not business records and are not required to be turned in to ATF when collectors' licenses are not renewed or collecting activity under such licenses is discontinued.

ken792 · Jan 25, 2017

zombiehunter said:
She asked me for a 4473 on it...I kind of laughed and saidd I was a C&R so never had to do those. Otherwise she said I still have to keep my records...to which I replied I don't think so but will check when I get home.

Any citation for destroy expired ledger?

Thanks for the awesome and quick replies. Considering I just had a patient tell my boss I was cleaning her butt and talking about the hot sex I have with my gf...knowing I'm not going to jail certainly makes my day better

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are...ir-acquisition-and-disposition-records-atf-if

Squaregrouper · Jan 25, 2017

The exact thing happened to me last year.
I bought an SKS from SOG and sold it a few years later. Fortunately I had a photocopy of the buyers MD DL and on the same piece of paper a handwritten bill of sale with his signature. I faxed it to The ATF and they said "Thanks, this is what we need".
Never heard back.

zombiehunter · Jan 25, 2017

You guys rock. So many thanks. Back to my 5 hours of charting

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