Freestate is Offering a New Hampshire CCW Course???

swinokur · Jun 21, 2017

P.T. Barnum was right.
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GAL700 · Jun 21, 2017

swinokur said:
The mere fact that the NH requirements are not mentioned seems dishonest.

kinda like bait and switch at the car dealer. get them in and "oh by the way, it's not required." take their money anyway

If it's not a problem, why not disclose the actual facts instead of luring people in with a less than honest ad?

Sometimes omissions are as bad as a lie. Look at the news media. they do it every day.

cheers.

Agree 100%. I think if they change the wording to reflect something like this it would be a bit more accurate.

Remove :New Hampshire Pistol/Revolver License Permit course

Add : Gun safety class focusing on NH/PA CCW laws.
Add: NH CCW is one of few non-resident permits honored by PA.

Remove: Application procedure

Add: No prerequisite is needed for the NH CCW but course will outline laws essential for both NH and PA.

swinokur · Jun 21, 2017

i agree because there is no offer of NH law training, only PA. I understand the ad's purpose is PA carry, but if you are going to claim PA reciprocity with a NH permit class, how about covering NH law as well?

They need to tear this up and start over, except IMO it's not an accident.

IMO the vagueness is intentional

j_h_smith · Jun 21, 2017

Okay, I just got off the phone with Randy at Freestate. He's aware of this thread. He told me that this course is a refresher/informational class. I told him that many thought the New Hampshire thing was a little misleading and he agreed. He said that they wanted to put out a course to give information about the legalities, the restrictions of carrying in PA. I guess the class will also help you with the paperwork for the NH license too.

He was a little taken aback by some of the remarks. He appreciated the fact that I called to get the details.

Bottom line: Is it advertised correctly, my opinion, it is not. Does it seem to be misleading, my opinion, yes it does. Did they mean to misrepresent this class, again in my opinion, they did not. I think they tried to combine a few ideas together and package it as one class.

Randy said that they are looking at it now and that they would be addressing the issue.

I hope this puts to rest the idea that they are just trying to make a quick buck. Again, we have to remember that not all firearm enthusiasts are as up to date on all of the things we take for granted. We are some of the most knowledgeable gun owners anywhere in the country. Many Marylanders who own firearms are not that connected as we here at MDS are. That's a fact.

I hope this helped.

swinokur · Jun 21, 2017

If the problem will be ameliorated, excellent.

If not, caveat emptor as stated.

Stoveman · Jun 21, 2017

j_h_smith said:
Okay, I just got off the phone with Randy at Freestate. He's aware of this thread. He told me that this course is a refresher/informational class. I told him that many thought the New Hampshire thing was a little misleading and he agreed. He said that they wanted to put out a course to give information about the legalities, the restrictions of carrying in PA. I guess the class will also help you with the paperwork for the NH license too.

He was a little taken aback by some of the remarks. He appreciated the fact that I called to get the details.

Bottom line: Is it advertised correctly, my opinion, it is not. Does it seem to be misleading, my opinion, yes it does. Did they mean to misrepresent this class, again in my opinion, they did not. I think they tried to combine a few ideas together and package it as one class.

Randy said that they are looking at it now and that they would be addressing the issue.

I hope this puts to rest the idea that they are just trying to make a quick buck. Again, we have to remember that not all firearm enthusiasts are as up to date on all of the things we take for granted. We are some of the most knowledgeable gun owners anywhere in the country. Many Marylanders who own firearms are not that connected as we here at MDS are. That's is a fact.

I hope this helped.

I'm going to take you and Randy at your word and I agree that not all are as knowledgeable as the members here, but Freestate is (or should be), and as the owner he should never have let the flyer go out for distribution.

KevinK · Jun 21, 2017

kalister1 said:
From: https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/nhsp/ssb/permitslicensing/plupr.html

The states listed below have indicated that they will recognize New Hampshire resident pistol revolver licenses. Anyone carrying a firearm in New Hampshire is subject to all other applicable laws including RSA 159:3.

Please note bold above, Florida is listed on this same website. I am not convinced by this that a NON-resident Permit is honored. Is there something more I have not found?

PA website mentions residents of both States

https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/upl...l/FirearmsReciprocity/Signed_NH_Agreement.pdf

From the pdf you attached:

kalister1 · Jun 21, 2017

KevinK said:
From the pdf you attached:

View attachment 207649

Read the part where it says Citizens of both States.
The second paragraph " The Citizens of Both States"

swinokur · Jun 21, 2017

you guys are overthinking this. PA honors NR permits from 2 states

TX and NH

kalister1 · Jun 21, 2017

swinokur said:
you guys are overthinking this. PA hoboes NR permits from 2 states

TX and NH

Where can I find that information?

swinokur · Jun 21, 2017

reciprocity agreement.

see below
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Gryphon · Jun 21, 2017

Docster said:
That is correct.

Ditto

kalister1 · Jun 21, 2017

Once again, Please read the second paragraph of this agreement, : Citizens of PA and NH

swinokur · Jun 21, 2017

that is the preamble. the actual agreement says valid NH permits. if you don't believe it, i guess you should not carry in PA.

frogman68 · Jun 21, 2017

j_h_smith said:
Okay, I just got off the phone with Randy at Freestate. He's aware of this thread. He told me that this course is a refresher/informational class. I told him that many thought the New Hampshire thing was a little misleading and he agreed. He said that they wanted to put out a course to give information about the legalities, the restrictions of carrying in PA. I guess the class will also help you with the paperwork for the NH license too.

He was a little taken aback by some of the remarks. He appreciated the fact that I called to get the details.

Bottom line: Is it advertised correctly, my opinion, it is not. Does it seem to be misleading, my opinion, yes it does. Did they mean to misrepresent this class, again in my opinion, they did not. I think they tried to combine a few ideas together and package it as one class.

Randy said that they are looking at it now and that they would be addressing the issue.

I hope this puts to rest the idea that they are just trying to make a quick buck. Again, we have to remember that not all firearm enthusiasts are as up to date on all of the things we take for granted. We are some of the most knowledgeable gun owners anywhere in the country. Many Marylanders who own firearms are not that connected as we here at MDS are. That's a fact.

I hope this helped.

What I find disturbing is 100 dollars for a 3 hour class. My Texas LTC class was 6 hours and 75 dollars, add the 15 dollar range fee and it was only 90 . Cost of the LTC is 25 bucks (Veterans) . I don't recall what the fingerprinting was but was cheap too. Think a total of 150 would cover it. I can carry in 33 states with it

kalister1 said:
Where can I find that information?

Texas NR LTC map in this thread

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=4839973&postcount=12

kalister1 · Jun 21, 2017

swinokur said:
that is the preamble. the actual agreement says valid NH permits. if you don't believe it, i guess you should not carry in PA.

I will not. This is my take, you of course are welcome to yours.
The purpose of this agreement is to extend privileges to the citizens of PA and NH. As I am not a citizen of NH this agreement does not apply to me. It references Permit Holder, all citizens of NH do NOT have the right to carry a firearm in PA, only Citizens of NH who have a valid Permit.

https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/Media_and_Resources/Firearm_Reciprocity_Agreements/ PA agreement for reciprocity
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/upl...irearmsReciprocity/Signed_Texas_Agreement.pdf

The Texas agreement is noted above. It does NOT mention resident of Texas, only Texas permit holder.

swinokur · Jun 21, 2017

i guess handgunlaw and Freestate disagree with you.

no problem for me.

maps

DC-W · Jun 21, 2017

kalister1 said:
I will not. This is my take, you of course are welcome to yours.
The purpose of this agreement is to extend privileges to the citizens of PA and NH. As I am not a citizen of NH this agreement does not apply to me. It references Permit Holder, all citizens of NH do NOT have the right to carry a firearm in PA, only Citizens of NH who have a valid Permit.

https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/Media_and_Resources/Firearm_Reciprocity_Agreements/ PA agreement for reciprocity
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/upl...irearmsReciprocity/Signed_Texas_Agreement.pdf

The Texas agreement is noted above. It does NOT mention resident of Texas, only Texas permit holder.

USACarry and Handgunlaw.us both have PA recognizing NH non-resident permits
https://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
http://handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf

Also, from https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/upl...l/FirearmsReciprocity/Signed_NH_Agreement.pdf

#4
The State of New Hampshire and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will inform each other of any changes in their respective concealed firearm statues that may affect the eligibility of the recognition granted by each state.

I don't see any statements from the PA AG about changing their agreement or making a statement on NH non-res permits in PA. Surely they know what's going on...

Kair350 · Jun 21, 2017

It is mans nature to think and to be hurled into inconceivable new worlds

KevinK · Jun 21, 2017

Kair350 said:
It is mans nature to think and to be hurled into inconceivable new worlds

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