Medical Marijuana card and 2A

Biggfoot44 · Jun 12, 2019

Back at my post #230 , I didn't necessarily say had to have mandatory treatment instead ; just not illegal .

If a days worth of * stuff * cost the equivalent of a case of Natural Ice , and a handle of store brand Vodka , the users would only need minimum wage , or occasional theft to cover it , and that's not enough profit margin to be worth turf wars or bribes .

THier · Jun 13, 2019

I dont buy addiction is a disease. I have gone through many, too many surgeries, 8 I can think of right off the top of my head. Everytime, had opioids prescribed.
Never gotten hooked on them.

When we go to Cancun, where I wont be driving, carrying, I get HAMMERED. I love tequila, we have been back for over 2 weeks, barely touched one of 4 bottles we brought back.

I REALLY like "bumping the nasty " with my girlfriend, but if it goes a week or so with nothing, I survive.

Couple times a year we go and "donate" at the local casino's.

Never smoked tobacco or weed, never done any drugs not prescribed by a Dr, so I can't give personal experience with those.

I like my guns, driving "sporty" but can control myself.

Just like "gun violence" it's not the tool, it's the user.

Now, I do believe the big pharmaceutical companies really don't want t cure anything, that will drive them out of business, but folks have to be accountable for their own actions. Now, if you are unconscious, and a hospital pumps you full of drugs, and you get hooked, well, you may have an argument, but then get yourself under control.

Just my opinions

PJDiesel · Jun 13, 2019

What he said.

Mark75H · Jun 13, 2019

THier said:
I dont buy addiction is a disease. I have gone through many, too many surgeries, 8 I can think of right off the top of my head. Everytime, had opioids prescribed.
Never gotten hooked on them.

When we go to Cancun, where I wont be driving, carrying, I get HAMMERED. I love tequila, we have been back for over 2 weeks, barely touched one of 4 bottles we brought back.

I REALLY like "bumping the nasty " with my girlfriend, but if it goes a week or so with nothing, I survive.

Couple times a year we go and "donate" at the local casino's.

Never smoked tobacco or weed, never done any drugs not prescribed by a Dr, so I can't give personal experience with those.

I like my guns, driving "sporty" but can control myself.

Just like "gun violence" it's not the tool, it's the user.

Now, I do believe the big pharmaceutical companies really don't want t cure anything, that will drive them out of business, but folks have to be accountable for their own actions. Now, if you are unconscious, and a hospital pumps you full of drugs, and you get hooked, well, you may have an argument, but then get yourself under control.

Just my opinions

That's the same as saying you don't believe in diabetes because you don't have it. Just because you can eat donuts, pie and ice cream all day doesn't mean everyone can.

I beleive it is a genetic predisposition, much like diabetes or muscular dystrophy.

PJDiesel · Jun 13, 2019

Yeah but......

If you knew (pretty much for a fact) that you'd become physically addicted to donuts would and they'd ultimately kill you, and still chose to consume them???

That's a choice and and behavioral issue.

Boondock Saint · Jun 13, 2019

...a delicious behavioral issue...

PJDiesel · Jun 13, 2019

DD: One Boston Creme, One Jelly.

Gotta die of something I guess.

Mark75H · Jun 13, 2019

PJDiesel said:
Yeah but......

If you knew (pretty much for a fact) that you'd become physically addicted to donuts would and they'd ultimately kill you, and still chose to consume them???

That's a choice and and behavioral issue.

It happens every day - diabetics eat the wrong thing and die that day from diabetic shock.

Again, just because you don't have it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You are NOT presenting a logical argument, just like anti 2A emotional arguments

PJDiesel · Jun 13, 2019

One is a dietary choice and the others are substances ingested solely to alter the way we feel and are widely know to be deadly.....regardless of 1st time use or 100th.

I fail to see the argument, but I also fail to how it can be intelligently discussed in the same realm as a Constitutionally protected right.

Might just be me.

Boondock Saint · Jun 13, 2019

PJDiesel said:
One is a dietary choice and the others are substances ingested solely to alter the way we feel and are widely know to be deadly.....regardless of 1st time use or 100th.

I fail to see the argument, but I also fail to how it can be intelligently discussed in the same realm as a Constitutionally protected right.

Might just be me.

With the understanding that I'm a few beers deep and not exactly in possession of the totality of what few mental faculties I'd otherwise possess...

Legislating what someone puts in their body is anti-freedom. True freedom is the ability to make bad decisions (that only affect the person making them!) for whatever reason(s) they deem worthy. What they do afterward to other people/things is an entirely different story altogether. The line between these things is very clear, and crossing it infringes on the freedom of another person, which can't be tolerated.

The guy that can afford a $300/day cocaine habit and is otherwise a productive member of society (and there are more than a few of these people) isn't the problem. It's the critical mass of people that have a $20/day heroin habit and would choke their own mother to get their fix, and the system that says these people need treatment (ok...) on our dime (not ok at all) and looks the other way when they break into our sheds and houses to pawn anything not nailed down.

These things are separate, moral crimes. The act of blasting the heroin? That's their business. But that business is risky. It's their choice, and that's very important to understand, but I offer no forgiveness or understanding for what they do in the name of their choice/addiction.

lazarus · Jun 13, 2019

PJDiesel said:
Yeah but......

If you knew (pretty much for a fact) that you'd become physically addicted to donuts would and they'd ultimately kill you, and still chose to consume them???

That's a choice and and behavioral issue.

Except you won’t know until you try them.

And plenty of people didn’t really have THAT much of an option. I’ve had herniated disks. Till you have, you’ve never felt extreme chronic pain. Fortunately I am not predisposed to narcotics addiction. I generally don’t use them when I do herniate a disk, but I’ve needed to a few times for a few days. When the pains so bad you are in tears from it constantly and can’t sleep because you are constant white knuckles, you’ll reach for whatever might promise you relief.

IMHO, it comes across as patronizing and lacking in empathy that you say it’s a personal choice and lack of self control. The point is most of the people who got hooked didn’t ask for narcotics from their doctor or said “oh yeah, I’ve got a headache, sure doc. A 30 day supply of Percocet sounds good”

Most were prescribed it recovering from surgery or suffering chronic pain. In some cases they were NOT told what they were being prescribed. They took what their doctor gave them in a hospital setting.

PJDiesel · Jun 14, 2019

For me, the risk is too great and outweighs the potential consequences. Sorry if that sounds to you like I lack empathy.

Let's try this approach then:

It's a choice and a behavioral issue if you allow yourself to transition from legally subscribed pills to snorting or injecting heroin/fentanyl bought off the streets.

I DO lack empathy for people who overdose and die on opioids, fugg em.

Darwinism at is most most purest form in my opinion. You've intentionally consumed a lethal amount of a KNOWN deadly substance not meant for unsupervised use.

ironpony · Jun 14, 2019

I'm seeing a trend in Anne Arundel county leaning towards installing pot and removing guns. I prefer guns but have no problem owning a dispensary ... or meth clinic ... Hey, maybe open a clinic to wean people off pot?? Since pot is so terrible, why isn't there a vehicle like the clinics and AA and NA etc. to help people remove this devil from their system? Sorry all, off topic I'm sure.

a clinic to wean people off pot ... I see $ signs

MindTheGAP · Jun 14, 2019

TexDefender said:
Medical applications is one thing, recreational use is another in regards to LSD, Heroin, Ecstasy.

LMAO, I so badly wanted to believe this to be trolling but I've encountered too much mis/disinformation on this topic in just this thread alone, let alone the rest of my time out in the world.

LSD and heroin are nowhere near one another. Since the government relaxed the inane prohibition on studies of LSD / MDMA / Psilocybin (please learn, it's not ecstasy unless you're talking the highly-cut / impure street drug), there are literally dozens of studies proving the success rate of small stage (n=<1,000) trials for treating PTSD (yes, including soldiers) depression, and get this - heroin addiction itself. GASP, DOES THAT MEAN LSD COULD HAVE LEGITIMATE MEDICAL USES CONTRARY TO YOUR PREVIOUSLY HELD BELIEFS?!

Seriously. This thread is just chock-full of uninformed, "reefer-madness"-esque thinking.

ironpony · Jun 14, 2019

MindTheGAP said:
Seriously. This thread is just chock-full of uninformed, "reefer-madness"-esque thinking.

Teach us something ... please. I'm here to learn.

PJDiesel · Jun 14, 2019

ironpony said:
Teach us something ... please. I'm here to learn.

Have you been reading through it while?

There is almost literally more INcorrect.....than correct.

ironpony · Jun 14, 2019

PJDiesel said:
Have you been reading through it while?

There is almost literally more INcorrect.....than correct.

Off and on , I feel your pain.

I may have misunderstood Mind the gaps post when I quoted them, however I am still here to learn.

No offense meant ...

1841DNG · Jun 14, 2019

ironpony said:
Teach us something ... please. I'm here to learn.

I do not have the studies to hand but in limited trials MDMA with a therapist has shown a lot of promise as a treatment of treatment resistant PTSD in veterans and rape victims. I have also heard unscientific anecdotes of people trying without a professional and not being able to handle their trauma alone. But it looks good so far.
And there were very limited studies showing LSD being useful in treating some addictions and I have not heard of intense physical dependency developing on it. As a certified not a doctor or pharmacist with no training you should be careful will a family history of mental illness. And I hear that it is very important to have someone babysitting you. But I have never tried the stuff personally and I can't imagine that I ever will.

rseymorejr · Jun 14, 2019

It's all fun and games until you end up with a yard full of goats

lazarus · Jun 15, 2019

rseymorejr said:
It's all fun and games until you end up with a yard full of goats

Crap, if my wife had her way we’d have a yard full of goats and she doesn’t smoke nothin’.

I’ll only be able to find that crap off for a few more months :-(

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