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    Trappemann

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    Mar 26, 2013
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    Are muzzleloaders, of any kind, 4473 items?

    Is anything required to transfer Muzzleloaders from person to person?

    Thanks
     
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    1time

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    Apr 26, 2009
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    I'm Embarassed to ask, but.....

    Most are not. The Thompson Center Encore need a 4473. Not sure if there are others that do as well. Do you have a particular one in mind?
     
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    Allen65

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    Jun 29, 2013
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    If the firearm in question is the frame/receiver of a centerfire or rimfire with a muzzleloading barrel installed, it's legally treated as a firearm (see the specific ones mentioned above). If it's designed as a muzzleloader, it's legally an "antique" (regardless of actual age), and not controlled for transfer.
     
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    dannyp

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    Oct 30, 2018
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    rifle actions are tricky , as they could be converted back to centerfire , just like the encore . i type to slow.lol
     
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    Rambler

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    Oct 22, 2011
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    1time said:
    Most are not. The Thompson Center Encore need a 4473. Not sure if there are others that do as well. Do you have a particular one in mind?
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    Similarly, the NEF/H&R handi-rifles had interchangeable barrels and could easily be fitted with a ML barrel. But the frame is still a "firearm".
     
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    Trappemann

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    Mar 26, 2013
    185
    Eastern Shore
    Clear as mud...as usual, directly from an ATF publication.

    "The following is a list of weapons that load from the muzzle and are classified as firearms, not
    antiques, under the GCA, because they incorporate the frame or receiver of a firearm:- 2 -
    • Savage Model 10ML (early, 1st version)
    • Mossberg 500 shotgun with muzzle loading barrel
    • Remington 870 shotgun with muzzle loading barrel
    • Mauser 98 rifle with muzzle loading barrel
    • SKS rifle with muzzle loading barrel
    • PB sM10 pistol with muzzle loading barrel
    • H&R/New England Firearm Huntsman
    • Thompson Center Encore/Contender
    • Rossi .50 muzzle loading rifle"

    So, they indicate the existence of a later model by saying that the early version IS a firearm.

    Savage forum discussions indicate that they changed the gun to no longer be easily converted.

    Sounds like a question for 13 lawyers.

    Just my luck!
     
    KIBarrister

    KIBarrister

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    Apr 10, 2013
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    Trappemann said:
    Clear as mud...as usual, directly from an ATF publication.

    "The following is a list of weapons that load from the muzzle and are classified as firearms, not
    antiques, under the GCA, because they incorporate the frame or receiver of a firearm:- 2 -
    • Savage Model 10ML (early, 1st version)
    • Mossberg 500 shotgun with muzzle loading barrel
    • Remington 870 shotgun with muzzle loading barrel
    • Mauser 98 rifle with muzzle loading barrel
    • SKS rifle with muzzle loading barrel
    • PB sM10 pistol with muzzle loading barrel
    • H&R/New England Firearm Huntsman
    • Thompson Center Encore/Contender
    • Rossi .50 muzzle loading rifle"

    So, they indicate the existence of a later model by saying that the early version IS a firearm.

    Savage forum discussions indicate that they changed the gun to no longer be easily converted.

    Sounds like a question for 13 lawyers.

    Just my luck!
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    If your question is specifically regarding the Savage 10ML II, it does NOT require a 4473; the 10ML was redesigned specifically because the original version used essentially the same action as a savage centerfire bolt action and BATFE required a 4473.

    The gross majority of muzzleloaders do not require a 4473, and your likelihood of finding one that does require FFL transfer is very low. Having said that, I have a 10ML II and if you can find one, I highly recommend them. Being able to use smokeless and not worry about cleaning or you barrel would be torched is exceptionally nice (plus you can reach out 200 yards with [relative] ease).
     
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    Trappemann

    Active Member
    Mar 26, 2013
    185
    Eastern Shore
    KIBarrister said:
    If your question is specifically regarding the Savage 10ML II, it does NOT require a 4473; the 10ML was redesigned specifically because the original version used essentially the same action as a savage centerfire bolt action and BATFE required a 4473.

    The gross majority of muzzleloaders do not require a 4473, and your likelihood of finding one that does require FFL transfer is very low. Having said that, I have a 10ML II and if you can find one, I highly recommend them. Being able to use smokeless and not worry about cleaning or you barrel would be torched is exceptionally nice (plus you can reach out 200 yards with [relative] ease).
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    It is specifically the 10 ML II I am asking about. I have one, and a friend offered me $200 for it. Just needed to know if it had to go to a ffl/dealer. Thank you.
     
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