Soo.. what's the deal with the Utah CCW now?

Kevmo · Dec 16, 2014

for non res Utah CCW... can we still carry in PA , WV and OH?

i've googled... any all the sites seem dated...

press1280 · Dec 16, 2014

Kevmo said:
for non res Utah CCW... can we still carry in PA , WV and OH?

i've googled... any all the sites seem dated...

Check handgunlaw.us

WV and OH are good to go. PA is no go.......

Minuteman · Dec 16, 2014

press1280 said:
Check handgunlaw.us

WV and OH are good to go. PA is no go.......

That's what I thought too, but a fellow MSI member who spends a lot of time in PA, informed me to the contrary. I didn't look into it, not a priority for me, but he came across very certain, and well informed. Just saying I'm unsure too, and this is a good question.

vinjet700 · Dec 16, 2014

press1280 said:
Check handgunlaw.us

WV and OH are good to go. PA is no go.......

pretty sure PA is a nogo.... if you buddy is carrying, he may wanna double n triple check.

Mr H · Dec 16, 2014

Currently, PA is bad juju for CC by a MDer on a UT permit.

OC is as it ever was

mcbruzdzinski · Dec 16, 2014

Until either the PA legislature or the current AG changes her mind, PA does not recognize the UT CCW carry permit.

Chris · Dec 16, 2014

That's a Non-Resident Utah permit is no good at this time. Resident Utah permit are still good in PA. Since the Utah permit is not marked Resident or Non-Resident, LEO would go by address on permit. Chris

Sundazes · Dec 16, 2014

Still the same with non res FLA and VA in PA? Meaning still a no go?

ryan_j · Dec 16, 2014

UT is good for vehicle carry only in PA. Concealed carry for UT non resident was killed off by AG Kane with a new reciprocity agreement.

swinokur · Dec 16, 2014

sundazes said:
Still the same with non res FLA and VA in PA? Meaning still a no go?

Correct

TX NR permit still ok.

Reptile · Dec 16, 2014

PA now only recognizes the Utah resident permit. The AG decided last May that reciprocity with Utah does not extend to the non-resident permit. If you Utah permit doesn't have a Utah home address don't carry in PA.

Bald Fat Guy · Dec 16, 2014

Well, vehicle only for concealed, still OC ( outside of Phila). And yes , that is an improvement over not having an otherwise not recognized permit.

John from MD · Dec 16, 2014

Bald Fat Guy said:
Well, vehicle only for concealed, still OC ( outside of Phila). And yes , that is an improvement over not having an otherwise not recognized permit.

Does this mean that vehicle carry inside of Philly is against the law?

John (headed to NE Philly for Christmas)

swinokur · Dec 16, 2014

IANAL but I'd say it is illegal. Because Philly is defined as a city of the first class (over 1 mil) Philly requires a valid permit for CC or OC. Not just any permit, but one that PA and therefore Philly recognizes. I don't think the PA law on carry in vehicles with any permit applies.

But IANAL as I mentioned.

Kevmo · Dec 16, 2014

well... i guess now it doesn't matter if i cut through PA or MD on my way to ohio then.. haha thanks guys.. you are the best!

swinokur · Dec 16, 2014

Just follow the rules per FOPA

locked, unloaded in trunk or a locked container for firearm or ammo if no trunk.

ryan_j · Dec 16, 2014

swinokur said:
IANAL but I'd say it is illegal. Because Philly is defined as a city of the first class (over 1 mil) Philly requires a valid permit for CC or OC. Not just any permit, but one that PA and therefore Philly recognizes. I don't think the PA law on carry in vehicles with any permit applies.

But IANAL as I mentioned.

I will differ with this one.

The way the law is worded is like this.

§6108. Carrying Firearms on Public Streets or Public Property in Philadelphia.

No person shall carry a firearm, rifle or shotgun at any time upon the public streets or upon any public property in a city of the first class unless:

(1) such person is licensed to carry a firearm; or

(2) such person is exempt from licensing under section 6106(b) of this title (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license)

And 6106(b) says:

(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

So it seems legal.

swinokur · Dec 16, 2014

LOL, I'd make a crappy lawyer !!

ryan_j · Dec 16, 2014

But you'd stay out of jail!

swinokur · Dec 16, 2014

that is true.

Soo.. what's the deal with the Utah CCW now?

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