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  • ted76

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    The fair minded Fareed Zakaria :rolleyes: is hosting a piece on how the left wants to control us, by taking our means to remain a free nation.
     

    zoostation

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    I somehow think they'll be failing to mention what a wondrous success strict gun control has been in cutting he murder rate in places like Mexico.
     

    ted76

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    Globalists. Meh.

    “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
    ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

    As an wise old Chinaman said.
     

    Badger1

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    Is there a link to this broadcast?

    I found the podcast, which seems likely to be the audio of the TV broadcast:
    http://media.adknit.com/a/f/11/fareed-zakaria-gps/kwsu3m.1-1.mp3

    Title: Global Lessons on Guns
    Description:
    Defining the problem, Zakaria reports that according to the CDC, there were more than 30,000 gun deaths in America in 2010, the most recent year with complete data – and, more than 19,000 of those were suicides. Perhaps even more alarming, in 2012, among active military personnel, more service personnel died by suicide, than were killed in hostile action.

    Global Lessons on Guns – A Fareed Zakaria GPS Special debuts Sunday, Dec. 8 at 7:00pm ET on CNN/U.S. In the special, Zakaria takes viewers to Colombia, Switzerland, Japan, Israel, and Australia for policy lessons from other mass gun murders, and suicide prevention – which may work in the U.S..

    Japan, a nation with a population of 130 million, spent more money on video games than any other nation in 2012 – except the U.S. Yet, despite the concerns of some in the U.S. of an association between video games and gun violence, in 2012, there were four gun deaths in Japan.

    The love that the people of Switzerland have for firearms rivals that of Americans. Switzerland ranks third in the world for per capita gun ownership, according to one estimate – behind only Yemen and the U.S. – and Switzerland is also home to the largest marksmanship competition in the world. Yet, Switzerland’s homicide rate is six times lower than that of the U.S. Swiss regulations on firearms are much stricter than in the U.S.

    For Australia, former Prime Minister Howard speaks about his nation’s gun policy reform efforts in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre. Like the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the Port Arthur massacre ended the lives of children. Howard feels political leadership is essential to curbing gun violence. Leveraging his political capital, Howard describes the political strategy – and consequences – of spearheading a package of reforms including background checks, restrictions on gun ownership, and gun buyback programs.

    The most moving segment of the special focuses on the U.S. Army’s efforts to reduce gun suicides. On average, every day in America, 100 people die by suicide. Half of these cases involve firearms – and, among active duty military personnel, between 2008 and 2010, nearly two thirds of suicide deaths involved firearms.

    Zakaria interviewed Gen. (ret.) Peter Chiarelli about the U.S. Army’s efforts to battle lobbyists’ efforts that would block any suicide prevention reforms that include restrictions on firearms. That fight continues, though the U.S. Department of Defense recently reported that suicides for active duty personnel have decreased by 22 percent in 2013, partially due to increased vigilance and suicide prevention programs:

    “I would be very, very careful in not underestimating the impact of 13 years of war, on an all-volunteer force. I think we were seeing, in those [high] suicide numbers, some of the effect of high stress and trauma,” Gen. Chiarelli says in the documentary, recalling his service as the number two ranking officer assigned to suicide prevention. “This is an area that we, in fact, have to attack.”

    An essay on what America could learn about gun policies around the world, written by Fareed Zakaria, may be found at www.cnn.com/gps. During the special broadcast, producers of the special will engage viewers with using the hashtag “#globalguns.”
     
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    INMY01TA

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    I somehow think they'll be failing to mention what a wondrous success strict gun control has been in cutting he murder rate in places like Mexico.
    Are guns actually banned Mexico? As I understand they’re not but there’s only 1 place they can buy and it’s controlled by the govt.
     

    Kharn

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    From the Hong Kong protests this summer.
     

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    rascal

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    I found the podcast, which seems likely to be the audio of the TV broadcast:
    http://media.adknit.com/a/f/11/fareed-zakaria-gps/kwsu3m.1-1.mp3

    Title: Global Lessons on Guns
    Description:
    Defining the problem, Zakaria reports


    Perhaps even more alarming, in 2012, among active military personnel, more service personnel died by suicide, than were killed in hostile action.

    There is virtually zero elevated suicide rate among active military personnel where are/were deployed to combat when compared same age/gender suicide rate of persons who were never in the military. The same with veterans. The entire elevation in both active and veteran groups is among those NEVER deployed. Our guys who were shot at by and shot Baathists, who saw their friends blown up by IEds, or served in OEF and trudged the Afghan mountains do NOT have an elevated suicide rate compared to the same cohort of men who were never in military. Not only does the science and data clearly show this, but it also appears to be the case for WWII, Vietnam and Korea conflict vets. It is the guys who spend their entire service working at a logistics depot in California or doing maintenance in Virginia who are committing all the suicides that elevate the "active' or "veteran rate."

    Why? Sounds really counter-intuitive, right? here is why: Because during high manpower demands the military has been proven to accept -- and retain -- people with previously present diagnosed low to moderate mental illness. So they are inducted, but during evaluations during basic, their emotional/mental problems get detected. A tiny number with severe disorders are discharged immediately, but those with disorders that are less than severe are kept on because of manpower needs, just not deployed to overseas and and even less often to combat. Those are the "active" and "veterans" that are the only reason for an elevated suicide.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2211891
    https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-b...-link-between-combat-deployment-and-suicides/

    Japan, a nation with a population of 130 million, spent more money on video games than any other nation in 2012 – except the U.S. Yet, despite the concerns of some in the U.S. of an association between video games and gun violence, in 2012, there were four gun deaths in Japan.

    I am not saying that first person shooters "cause" or are even somewhat causal to shootings, mass or otherwise, but the above is two bullsht assertions rolled into one.
    1) Japans video game culture does not include anywhere near the amount of gameplay of first person shooters. Call of duty, Farcry, etc have nowhere near the sales per capita in Japan that they have in the US, and first person shooters have nowhere near the online game play in Japan either.
    2) The Zacharia piece leads on with "30,000" Us gun deaths. That is mostly suicide, and an aggregation of suicide+murder by gun. Japan has a higher per capita rate of suicide+murder than the US. So does S. Korea. MOST countries are within +/- 20% of he US in that rate.

    The love that the people of Switzerland have for firearms rivals that of Americans. Switzerland ranks third in the world for per capita gun ownership, according to one estimate – behind only Yemen and the U.S. – and Switzerland is also home to the largest marksmanship competition in the world. Yet, Switzerland’s homicide rate is six times lower than that of the U.S. Swiss regulations on firearms are much stricter than in the U.S.

    Regions and jurisdictions of the US that look like Switzerland demographically average no higher rate of murder than Switzerland, in fact no higher rate of murder than the European average.

    For Australia, former Prime Minister Howard speaks about his nation’s gun policy reform efforts in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre. Like the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the Port Arthur massacre ended the lives of children. Howard feels political leadership is essential to curbing gun violence. Leveraging his political capital, Howard describes the political strategy – and consequences – of spearheading a package of reforms including background checks, restrictions on gun ownership, and gun buyback programs.

    There is no bigger pile of bullsht than piled around Australia mass confiscation. in the 20 years after Australia gun control Australian homicide rate fell by 41% from its 1990's peak. Looks great right? The developed democracy decrease in homicide e rates, including in countries that made no change to their gun laws was 43% decrease. The US decrease in homicide 20 years after the US 1990's peak? US homicide rates fell 61%. Australia actually did WORSE than average.

    On suicide, Australasian suicide did not fall one iota. Ten years after mass confiscation, Australian officials and gun banners were slapping themselves on the back for reducing suicide. Then researchers noticed that Australian self caused death by means associated with suicide actually ROSE Six per reviewed Studies were done. All found Australia had not reduced suicide, but simply swept more under the rug, increasing "hidden suicide" because coroners begin self caused death by gunshot investigations with presumption of suicide, and other self caused death investigations with presumption of accident. The only thing Australia did on suicide, was increase error rate, and increase the number of suicides misclassified as accidental or undermined:
    https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/he...ustralias-suicide-epidemic-20090820-es3p.html

    As far as mass murder of children Australia has had more after gun control, not less.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/547787/Cairns-stabbing-children-found-dead-woman-stabbed-chest


    The most moving segment of the special focuses on the U.S. Army’s efforts to reduce gun suicides. On average, every day in America, 100 people die by suicide. Half of these cases involve firearms – and, among active duty military personnel, between 2008 and 2010, nearly two thirds of suicide deaths involved firearms.
    Again the science has clearly shows the military suicide is not because of service -- but because of preexisting conditions.

    And that '2/3 of military suicide invovle firearms' doesn't mean a single one of them would be prevented if all firearms disappeared tomorrow.
     

    FoD

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    There are no means of suicide other than a firearm. Everybody knows this. Get rid of guns = no more suicide.

    While we're at it, before guns were invented nobody was ever killed by another human.

    Remove guns and you remove violence. Simple. Logical, yes?
     

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