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Bulging Brass, new Rossi R92 .357
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Don't hold your breath.
On Saturday (4/27) My rifle was returned to me. It looks like there is a new barrel in it. This looks a lot more professionally machined than the original chamber it had. I cycled a magazine full of 38 SPL through it without any jamming too. I have included the before and after photos for comparison. Now, to get back out to a range and see how it shoots. The original chamber is bright stainless steel from the look of it. I think the repaired one is black steel. I wonder if they bored out the end of the barrel and put a sleeve plug in to repair it?
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after
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Thanks for following up. Let me know how the brass looks after you shoot .357.
Also, is it me, or does the extractor notch(I don't know the exact term) in the barrel look canted toward the 11 o'clock position? maybe it's just the angle.
Sending mine back next week.
I think it's the camera angle. If I look at it with the bolt open, it aligns exactly with the center of the bolt. I tried another photo, but I don’t know if it helps
Yeah, definitely the angle. Had me worried.
"The original chamber is bright stainless steel from the look of it. I think the repaired one is black steel. I wonder if they bored out the end of the barrel and put a sleeve plug in to repair it?"
I have seen that done to recover old Black Powder cartridge rifles but would not expect them to do something like that on a high pressure chamber like a .357 Magnum. I think the dark color may be from machining ink like Dykem Blue otherwise I can't understand them making the chamber black.
I have seen that done to recover old Black Powder cartridge rifles but would not expect them to do something like that on a high pressure chamber like a .357 Magnum. I think the dark color may be from machining ink like Dykem Blue otherwise I can't understand them making the chamber black.
"The original chamber is bright stainless steel from the look of it. I think the repaired one is black steel. I wonder if they bored out the end of the barrel and put a sleeve plug in to repair it?"
I have seen that done to recover old Black Powder cartridge rifles but would not expect them to do something like that on a high pressure chamber like a .357 Magnum. I think the dark color may be from machining ink like Dykem Blue otherwise I can't understand them making the chamber black.
I prefer to think that the machining ink is what took place to cause the darker color.
There is absolutely, totally no way they "bored out the end of the barrel and put a sleeve plug in to repair it". Think about that type of repair versus the cost to the manufacturer in time and material to accomplish it. In order to do that, the first thing they would do is to remove the barrel. Do you imagine the cost to bore the chamber out, machine an insert and fit it and secure it, headspace it and reassemble would not exceed the cost of simply unscrewing the barrel, screwing a new one in, headspace and return to customer?
Hope this new barrel works out for you, I had a Rossi 357 carbine, and older one, never thought much of it, crudely made, do not miss it at all.
I totally concur with your assessment. I also think it would not make economic sense to do that. I also agree with what John from MD said....
I think the dark color may be from machining ink like Dykem Blue otherwise I can't understand them making the chamber black.
As to whether or not it is crudely made, I will disagree a little there. Yes, there are manufacturing QC problems. The cartridge stop and left cartridge guide should be refined so that 38 SPL does not jam when the rifle is NIB. Yes the barrel chamber was rough in the one I received. But both of those have (seemingly) been corrected under warranty. Because of what I found on line about prior production runs, I was concerned about the overall craftsmanship before I bought mine. But sharp edges and poor fit and finish are not a problem with mine. I like it very much. If I wanted another Rossi rifle, I would feel confidante enough to buy one again. That is my 2¢ worth.
I totally concur with your assessment. I also think it would not make economic sense to do that. I also agree with what John from MD said....
I think the dark color may be from machining ink like Dykem Blue otherwise I can't understand them making the chamber black.
As to whether or not it is crudely made, I will disagree a little there. Yes, there are manufacturing QC problems. The cartridge stop and left cartridge guide should be refined so that 38 SPL does not jam when the rifle is NIB. Yes the barrel chamber was rough in the one I received. But both of those have (seemingly) been corrected under warranty. Because of what I found on line about prior production runs, I was concerned about the overall craftsmanship before I bought mine. But sharp edges and poor fit and finish are not a problem with mine. I like it very much. If I wanted another Rossi rifle, I would feel confidante enough to buy one again. That is my 2¢ worth.
Sorry, I meant the older one that I had seemed crudely made...
I totally concur with your assessment. I also think it would not make economic sense to do that. I also agree with what John from MD said....
I think the dark color may be from machining ink like Dykem Blue otherwise I can't understand them making the chamber black.
As to whether or not it is crudely made, I will disagree a little there. Yes, there are manufacturing QC problems. The cartridge stop and left cartridge guide should be refined so that 38 SPL does not jam when the rifle is NIB. Yes the barrel chamber was rough in the one I received. But both of those have (seemingly) been corrected under warranty. Because of what I found on line about prior production runs, I was concerned about the overall craftsmanship before I bought mine. But sharp edges and poor fit and finish are not a problem with mine. I like it very much. If I wanted another Rossi rifle, I would feel confidante enough to buy one again. That is my 2¢ worth.
Oh, I agree. Based on my prior research, there are some older Rossi rifles produced and sold that had with a lot of issues. The point I was trying to make is that I think Taurus Holdings is currently making a better product.
AAR update. Yesterday I went to the NRA range. I brought three types of ammo.
I didn’t have any problems with the rifle jamming. Some of the Fiocchi rounds did have a slight catch if I cycled the lever slowly. If I cycled the lever just right, the ejected brass would sail right over me and into the back of my chair. That made collecting the spent brass much easier. LOL.
As before the repair by Rossi, the 38 SPL brass didn’t have any bulging. The Fiocchi brass is also not showing any indication of bulging. The Geco brass does show the slight crescent bulge. Perhaps you can see it in the next photo.
Does anybody have any knowledge as to whether the Geco brass is softer or thinner than the others?
Here are my target results. I’ve marked the holes with the ammo I used. On target 1 I shot the 38 SPL then the Geco, then the Fiocchi.
On target 2 it was the 38 SPL, the Fiocchi, then the Geco. By the time I was finished, the rifle barrel was hot. It’s conjecture on my part, but I think the Geco rounds lack consistency in a hot barrel.
Target 1
Target 2
All in all, I’m happy with the rifle. I added the butt pad. I put additional dense foam into it to make the overall length around 2” longer. I also cut the extra padding so it fills in the concave shape of the butt plate. It’s very comfortable to shoot it with the padding and extra length. The first time I shot it, the crescent stainless steel butt plate looks nice, but it was brutal on my shoulder. Shooting 38 SPL with the butt stock pad on now, is like shooting 22LR. I felt almost no recoil.
I didn’t have any problems with the rifle jamming. Some of the Fiocchi rounds did have a slight catch if I cycled the lever slowly. If I cycled the lever just right, the ejected brass would sail right over me and into the back of my chair. That made collecting the spent brass much easier. LOL.
As before the repair by Rossi, the 38 SPL brass didn’t have any bulging. The Fiocchi brass is also not showing any indication of bulging. The Geco brass does show the slight crescent bulge. Perhaps you can see it in the next photo.
Does anybody have any knowledge as to whether the Geco brass is softer or thinner than the others?
Here are my target results. I’ve marked the holes with the ammo I used. On target 1 I shot the 38 SPL then the Geco, then the Fiocchi.
On target 2 it was the 38 SPL, the Fiocchi, then the Geco. By the time I was finished, the rifle barrel was hot. It’s conjecture on my part, but I think the Geco rounds lack consistency in a hot barrel.
Target 1
Target 2
All in all, I’m happy with the rifle. I added the butt pad. I put additional dense foam into it to make the overall length around 2” longer. I also cut the extra padding so it fills in the concave shape of the butt plate. It’s very comfortable to shoot it with the padding and extra length. The first time I shot it, the crescent stainless steel butt plate looks nice, but it was brutal on my shoulder. Shooting 38 SPL with the butt stock pad on now, is like shooting 22LR. I felt almost no recoil.
Alan3413
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Got to try the butt pad. .38 I can shoot all day, but two boxes of .357 and it gets old.
I bought Pachmayer slip on but pads in small and medium to address recoil. I cut the cuff part down about an inch and now just slip them on anything I shoot. Mausers, 30-30 winchesters, .44mag Rossi, and even my .50 cal smoke poles are much more fun with the slip on pad.
The butt of my Rossi 92 works great for standing offhand but it isn't ideal for the bench when shooting full power .357. my trick for adjusting to the recoil is to touch off a couple rounds of buffalo bore 45-70 through my henry before I move down to the .357. Feels like a .22 haha. Maybe don't follow my example if you have arthritis or loose fillings.
I found this lace up pad. I have the small size one on on my rifle. For what it's worth, the one I received is lighter brown on the sleeve part, and more tan on the butt pad part.
https://www.lcsupply.com/Kick-Killer-Recoil-Pad-Lace-Up/productinfo/KKL/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6-r-5rfV4AIVS1qGCh3EhAdkEAQYASABEgLBDvD_BwE
A couple of years ago we had a 50 page thread about the same thing happening in a .40 Glock. Some cases bulged, some didn't, some ejected, some got stuck etc. It was mostly ammo manufacturer dependent. Some have softer/thinner brass than others and only if you combine it with a unsupported chamber, you end up with the bulge.
Thank you for that information.
If you look at the before and after pics in post 42, the chamber does look better. But there is a "ramp" that extends into the back edge of the chamber. I think the Geco brass is just not as strong as the Fiocchi brass. At this point, I don't reload so it shouldn't make any difference for me. If any reloaders scavenge brass at the range, I hope they have use careful QC and inspect that Geco brass before they reuse it.
One other thing comes to mind: was any of that ammo batch reloaded? Smokeless powder can become more potent over time and reach the point where it can split a cartridge. Happened to me, shooting a Remington .243 with ammo my dad had reloaded 20 years prior. Split a case along the entire side. Just a thought.
"Don't let your ammo grow old - - - shoot it!"
"Don't let your ammo grow old - - - shoot it!"
No reloads. All new from the factory ammo AFAIK.
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