- Feb 4, 2013
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MSP went to BATF, and THEY enforce the 29" OAL.
Don't believe it, submit a Form 1 for a 28.5" center fire SBR. It WILL be rejected.
Are SBR's legal in MD?
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MSP went to BATF, and THEY enforce the 29" OAL.
Don't believe it, submit a Form 1 for a 28.5" center fire SBR. It WILL be rejected.
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
Under current interpretations.
Just like the threads about braces versus SBR in the past few years.
THINGS change.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 50,068
AFAIK, all states have the last word on NFA. Just as much as states can't go beyond federal NFA, Federal NFA can't or won't go beyond state set statutes.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 50,068
I'm not going to waste my time waiting for the Gov to decide what will be good and what will be bad tomorrow. If it is legal right now, that is good enough for me(and it should be good enough for everyone else).
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
Was just about to post this. Thanks.
Not according to the last two Commanders of Licensing Division.
yellow97tt6spd
Member
Slightly off topic but... I just picked up an SP5K PDW, and would like to make it an AOW (for the Vertical Fore Grip). I’d like to confirm that since this is an AOW (and not an SBR) it would still be legal in Maryland.
Since it’s not a “rifle”, it does not need to comply with the evil features count, or the 29.5” requirement, correct.
Thanks in advance!
Since it’s not a “rifle”, it does not need to comply with the evil features count, or the 29.5” requirement, correct.
Thanks in advance!
psybersapien
Member
- May 21, 2017
- 32
... slightly related, my form 1's have been disapproved twice by the ATF trying to convert my pistol to an SBR even though the OAL is greater than 29" in reality but not on paper. (Side note: I wish the Form 1 would let you specify OAL and not simply barrel length to prevent a presumed OAL)
If I'm forced to register my pistol as an SBR and disapproved (again), is the pistol considered AOW and I have to register it that way? Or do I have unlawful possession of a firearm?
yellow97tt6spd
Member
Don’t know why yours is being denied. Maybe the pistol version of your weapon is legal (ex... 9” Sig Virtus 300bo)... but the “rifle” version is outright banned (ex... Sig Virtus 300bo Rifle)? I’m not certain that’s how it works, but a friend of mine and I have had that exact debate.
In my case, since the most recent ruling is that anything with a stabilizing brace does not count the added length from the brace into overall length, my “pistol” is only about 14 inches long.
Legally a pistol can’t be operated by two hands, if it is under 26” long. If it is, it becomes an AOW. If the “pistol” has a VFG, but is *over* 26” it becomes a “firearm” (non NFA), if I’m not mistaken. Once classified as a rifle (regardless of length), the VFG basically doesn’t matter.
In my case, since the most recent ruling is that anything with a stabilizing brace does not count the added length from the brace into overall length, my “pistol” is only about 14 inches long.
Legally a pistol can’t be operated by two hands, if it is under 26” long. If it is, it becomes an AOW. If the “pistol” has a VFG, but is *over* 26” it becomes a “firearm” (non NFA), if I’m not mistaken. Once classified as a rifle (regardless of length), the VFG basically doesn’t matter.
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
Today.
It seems that one specific folder is GTG.
Again, at least today.
My comment was with regards to supressors.
As for folders, I'm not aware of any for the AR platform that permit ti to fire while folded, so ALL folders are GTG in MD and not an evil feature.
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
Sorry.
SO MD licensing is saying that suppressors are not considered flash suppressors?
Interesting, I had not heard that.
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,278
No ,MSP LD is apparently saying that certain ( most) Folding adapters for conventional system AR do Not count as Folding Stock , thereby not triggering any excessive number of Evil Features even with a Suppressor being a Flash Hider .
They never really have said that, the conversations started in 2013 when the bill got passed, and the conversation has been the same since.
And you have heard it, every time I have brought it up to correct people. Oh, wait, you want something official in writing, instead of the word of a former President of a state 2A organization???
Correct, since most folding adapters for conventional ARs do not permit the firearm to be fired, and are not designed to do so. (The bold is the important part)
People need to stop repeating this fallacy, MSP has never considered a suppressor as an evil feature, as a flash hider.
Shore88
Active Member
Agree. Anything I currently own was obtained legally. What happens in the future makes me no never mind. This store has a no return policy.
Since Biden said the other day that I needed to SBR my Scorpion with the AFT I was doing some research and came across this thread. Had no idea that a registered SBR had to also conform to MD’s stupid rules. O’Malley’s great legacy lives on I see.
If it does come down to not being able to shoulder pistol braces again in the near future that is going to suck. Atl least all the AR pistols could be built into rifles. I suppose I could try and convert my Scorpion to the carbine but they don’t sell the 16” barrel AFAIK. The only benefit to Registering as an AOW would be the VFG, right? No stock under 29”
If it does come down to not being able to shoulder pistol braces again in the near future that is going to suck. Atl least all the AR pistols could be built into rifles. I suppose I could try and convert my Scorpion to the carbine but they don’t sell the 16” barrel AFAIK. The only benefit to Registering as an AOW would be the VFG, right? No stock under 29”
Tree Rat
Always a good target
- May 20, 2005
- 860
MSP went to BATF.....What does that actually mean?
Is a rejection of a form 1 less than 29" a personal experience?
TR
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,278
Reverse , ATF goes to MSP ( or whatever relevant agency in whichever jurisdiction ) to confirm that whatever is Legal in that jurisdiction , if ATF has any doubt or confusion .
Bottom line - ATF will not approve anything not legal in the local jurisdiction(s) of applicant .
Bottom line - ATF will not approve anything not legal in the local jurisdiction(s) of applicant .
- Jul 29, 2014
- 50,068
Like I said before, ATFE upholds each states NFA 'allowances'. For some states it might be no suppressors. In another state it might be no machine guns. In Md's case, it is no centerfire semi-automatic SBRs under 29" in length. It is up the the individual state legislators to decide what NFA items will be allowed in a given state. The ATFE enforces those allowances. It's that simple.
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