Non-refurbed 91/30

Bertfish · May 4, 2021

I only ever see arsenal refurbished 91/30s. Perfect blue, "all matching" (force matched) with newly lacquered wood.

Anyone have a 91/30 which is in original finish and condition?

MilsurpDan · May 4, 2021

Besides my Finnish Captured 91/30’s, I have one 1939 Izhevsk that I found in a local shop for $100 6 or 7 years ago.

It’s never been refurbed, no Finnish characteristics, no import marks and doesn’t appear to be a Spanish Civil War rifle. I suspect it’s a bringback of some sort, but have no idea when, where or how.

bigmancrisler · May 4, 2021

MilsurpDan said:
Besides my Finnish Captured 91/30’s, I have one 1939 Izhevsk that I found in a local shop for $100 6 or 7 years ago.

It’s never been refurbed, no Finnish characteristics, no import marks and doesn’t appear to be a Spanish Civil War rifle. I suspect it’s a bringback of some sort, but have no idea when, where or how.

Photos?

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KP Shooter · May 4, 2021

MilsurpDan said:
Besides my Finnish Captured 91/30’s, I have one 1939 Izhevsk that I found in a local shop for $100 6 or 7 years ago.

It’s never been refurbed, no Finnish characteristics, no import marks and doesn’t appear to be a Spanish Civil War rifle. I suspect it’s a bringback of some sort, but have no idea when, where or how.

Considering it is a 1939, I have my doubts it made its way to Spain before the Spanish civil war ended.

It could have been an Elba river transfer. About a decade ago, my friend acquired a near mint TT-33 that was a supposed Elba bring back. The gun wasn’t marked up in any way, and the price was basically at asking price for a Soviet TT33.

One of the great things about C&R, any number of adventures could had befallen that weapon. And for most of them, they are lost to history.

Dave91 · May 4, 2021

I have several all-matching Finnish captured 91/30s, but I also have a Izhevsk 91/30 (I think it's a 1942) that, aside from an import mark, does not appear to have been messed with since it left the assembly line. It's been a while since I've had that one out of the safe. I'll dig it out and get some pictures soon. I got mine from The Mosin Crate in 2016.

Combloc · May 4, 2021

I have a 91 with original finish but 91/30s are few and far between. They are out there though.

Dave91 · May 5, 2021

MilsurpDan said:
Besides my Finnish Captured 91/30’s, I have one 1939 Izhevsk that I found in a local shop for $100 6 or 7 years ago.

It’s never been refurbed, no Finnish characteristics, no import marks and doesn’t appear to be a Spanish Civil War rifle. I suspect it’s a bringback of some sort, but have no idea when, where or how.

My first thought is a Vietnam bringback. What kind of shape is it in? I'm very interested in photos of that one.

Bullfrog · May 5, 2021

KP Shooter said:
It could have been an Elba river transfer. About a decade ago, my friend acquired a near mint TT-33 that was a supposed Elba bring back.

Elbe? Unless it belonged to Napoleon.

Thanks, not mocking you... I learned something new today.

ken792 · May 5, 2021

Dave91 said:
My first thought is a Vietnam bringback. What kind of shape is it in? I'm very interested in photos of that one.

I’d imagine a nice one could be a beutewaffe taken off the Germans rather than one that made it to Vietnam without getting rebuilt and then trashed

MilsurpDan · May 5, 2021

https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=157939

There’s some older pictures from when I first got it. I need to take some better ones.

I suspect it ended up in German hands since the bolt looks like it might have been blued, then eventually got brought back by a GI.

Reckon it could also be a Korean War bring-back. Never heard of a Vietnam bringback 91/30, only heard of M44’s and Type 53’s from there.

Bertfish · May 6, 2021

Combloc said:
I have a 91 with original finish but 91/30s are few and far between. They are out there though.

Oh yeah original finish 91s are a dime a dozen. I have a couple. Well I just sold a pair but I still have at least one.

somd_mustangs · May 6, 2021

I've got a dime....

Bertfish · May 6, 2021

Well let's see it

somd_mustangs · May 6, 2021

ok dangit, you called my bluff...

Zorros · May 6, 2021

My Finn capture does not appear to be refinished post war. It was marked at a gun show as a Sako rebuild, but I don’t see evidence of that, but maybe I don’t know what to look for. I also have a Finn capture NE Westinghouse that does not appear refinished.

h2u · May 6, 2021

Bertfish said:
I only ever see arsenal refurbished 91/30s. Perfect blue, "all matching" (force matched) with newly lacquered wood.

Anyone have a 91/30 which is in original finish and condition?

I may be overthinking this... (I KNOW I’m overthinking. It’s what I do with Mosins

). Just trying to clarify.

Are you looking for an older, non-refurb M91/30 that’s been in a “time capsule” and still has all of the original blue and stock finish with no apparent wear?

Are you looking for any M91/30 in honest condition (faded bluing, dings/dents on stock, lacquer mostly worn away).

Are you looking for an M91/30 that looks like it’s been dragged behind a truck for 100 miles?

Non-Finn manufactured? Non-Finn captured?

I ask because I may know a guy...

Jimbob2.0 · May 7, 2021

Never saw one but as others have noted I suspect they are out there. That many rifles produced there have to be some probably 10s of thousands in varying conditions!

Sirex · May 7, 2021

I had one, an ex sniper. Didn't look restored since WW2. Let me see if I can find the thread. Sold the gun years ago, and regret it.

Here it is, 1st rifle in my post. The ex-sniper I didn't like at first. I should have kept it. I still have my other beat up M39 and M91s though.
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=76700

Bertfish · May 8, 2021

h2u said:
I may be overthinking this... (I KNOW I’m overthinking. It’s what I do with Mosins ). Just trying to clarify.

Are you looking for an older, non-refurb M91/30 that’s been in a “time capsule” and still has all of the original blue and stock finish with no apparent wear?

Are you looking for any M91/30 in honest condition (faded bluing, dings/dents on stock, lacquer mostly worn away).

Are you looking for an M91/30 that looks like it’s been dragged behind a truck for 100 miles?

Non-Finn manufactured? Non-Finn captured?

I ask because I may know a guy...

I want to see a 91/30 sporting honest wear which hasn't been rearsenaled like so many of them were. I dont believe in milsurps that have perfect blue

SigMatt · May 8, 2021

I have a 91/30 I got from AIM years ago still with cosmo in the bore and bolt. Bought it for the bayonet as it was cheaper at the time to buy the entire rifle. I also have a 1935 original sniper on a hex receiver. I also have a 91/59 and a Soviet M44.

Are you looking for photos or looking to purchase a rifle? Happy to post photos of any of the rifles.

Matt

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