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They run, ok for a truck gun.
Unless you feel an urgent need I would save a little money and get a Just right carbine. Better gun, more universal mags, cheap exchange kits in lots of cool calibers. For about $1,500 you can buy the gun and all of the kits you need for about any caliber they make.
Unless you feel an urgent need I would save a little money and get a Just right carbine. Better gun, more universal mags, cheap exchange kits in lots of cool calibers. For about $1,500 you can buy the gun and all of the kits you need for about any caliber they make.
That first photo... she looks more zoftig than fat. And that's not a moped.
As for the OP's question,
It sounds like you're interested in an entry level rifle. Are you looking for one rifle with which you can learn to shoot, and which you can continue to use and enjoy without "outgrowing" it?
Get an AR.
The Hi Point is not really a rifle at all. It's a pistol calibet carbine. If you just want something cheap to blast away with, and you really aren't interested in learning to sjoot in a disciplined way, then the Hi Point might be a good choice.
Buy if you want to go beyond blasting and plinking and having fun wasting ammo... if you want to be able to do all that, but have the option of actually learning how to use a rifle, then get an AR.
If you want to be able to learn to understand rifle shooting beyond banging steel and shooting cans, really learn to shoot and handle a rifle, get an AR.
I think you can get a new HBAR for as little as $500, which is very affordable.
As for the OP's question,
It sounds like you're interested in an entry level rifle. Are you looking for one rifle with which you can learn to shoot, and which you can continue to use and enjoy without "outgrowing" it?
Get an AR.
The Hi Point is not really a rifle at all. It's a pistol calibet carbine. If you just want something cheap to blast away with, and you really aren't interested in learning to sjoot in a disciplined way, then the Hi Point might be a good choice.
Buy if you want to go beyond blasting and plinking and having fun wasting ammo... if you want to be able to do all that, but have the option of actually learning how to use a rifle, then get an AR.
If you want to be able to learn to understand rifle shooting beyond banging steel and shooting cans, really learn to shoot and handle a rifle, get an AR.
I think you can get a new HBAR for as little as $500, which is very affordable.
j8064
Garrett Co Hooligan #1
Monkey Guns?
I don't have any
... And the .380 carbine I won't admit to owning looks a lot like the other four I don't have that are chambered in 9mm, 40 S&W and 45acp. 
Of course no Hooligans have ever even fired Hi Points...
Fact is we shoot them often. Hi Points are fun plinking carbines. They are fugly and cheap, and they shoot about any reloads they're fed. They're pretty accurate at 25 to 50 yards in all calibers. I don't have the new one in 10mm yet. It's only a matter of time...
If you expect a Hi Point to be a high quality firearm, you'll be disappointed. If you treat them with respect and take care of them, they will make you smile. Hi Point's lifetime warranty goes with the firearm. The few times I've needed to reach out to Hi Point their customer service has amazed me.
I once owned a moped and I once dated a fat chick. Maybe someday I'll break down and get a Hi Point...
I don't have any
... And the .380 carbine I won't admit to owning looks a lot like the other four I don't have that are chambered in 9mm, 40 S&W and 45acp. Of course no Hooligans have ever even fired Hi Points...
Fact is we shoot them often. Hi Points are fun plinking carbines. They are fugly and cheap, and they shoot about any reloads they're fed. They're pretty accurate at 25 to 50 yards in all calibers. I don't have the new one in 10mm yet. It's only a matter of time...
If you expect a Hi Point to be a high quality firearm, you'll be disappointed. If you treat them with respect and take care of them, they will make you smile. Hi Point's lifetime warranty goes with the firearm. The few times I've needed to reach out to Hi Point their customer service has amazed me.
I once owned a moped and I once dated a fat chick. Maybe someday I'll break down and get a Hi Point...
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Bought a 9mm Hi-Point PC carbine a couple of months ago from a member here and didn’t get to shoot it until today.
Excellent carbine for the money! Was worried about the sights mostly, but I plugged a bunch of bullseyes at 25 yards—sitting, and even no support (standing).
Ran great. The Red Ball 20 round mag that I bought at the Great Outdoor Show in PA ran flawlessly.
My lightly used carbine came with brackets to hold two mags on the stock, plus a forward vertical grip. Stock has recoil spring plate on the butt stock. Awesome little package.
Excellent carbine for the money! Was worried about the sights mostly, but I plugged a bunch of bullseyes at 25 yards—sitting, and even no support (standing).
Ran great. The Red Ball 20 round mag that I bought at the Great Outdoor Show in PA ran flawlessly.
My lightly used carbine came with brackets to hold two mags on the stock, plus a forward vertical grip. Stock has recoil spring plate on the butt stock. Awesome little package.
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I don't have any
Of course no Hooligans have ever even fired Hi Points...
Fact is we shoot them often. Hi Points are fun plinking carbines. They are fugly and cheap, and they shoot about any reloads they're fed. They're pretty accurate at 25 to 50 yards in all calibers. I don't have the new one in 10mm yet. It's only a matter of time...
If you expect a Hi Point to be a high quality firearm, you'll be disappointed. If you treat them with respect and take care of them, they will make you smile. Hi Point's lifetime warranty goes with the firearm. The few times I've needed to reach out to Hi Point their customer service has amazed me.
I once owned a moped and I once dated a fat chick. Maybe someday I'll break down and get a Hi Point...
Needs a disclaimer: “ No Hooligans were harmed during the filming of this segment”.
engineerbrian
JMB fan club
I don't have any
Of course no Hooligans have ever even fired Hi Points...
Fact is we shoot them often. Hi Points are fun plinking carbines. They are fugly and cheap, and they shoot about any reloads they're fed. They're pretty accurate at 25 to 50 yards in all calibers. I don't have the new one in 10mm yet. It's only a matter of time...
If you expect a Hi Point to be a high quality firearm, you'll be disappointed. If you treat them with respect and take care of them, they will make you smile. Hi Point's lifetime warranty goes with the firearm. The few times I've needed to reach out to Hi Point their customer service has amazed me.
I once owned a moped and I once dated a fat chick. Maybe someday I'll break down and get a Hi Point...
I may know someone who has a 10mm
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j8064
Garrett Co Hooligan #1
I may know someone who has a 10mm
Figures...
You're a known enabler just like many of us...
engineerbrian
JMB fan club
Figures...
You're a known enabler just like many of us...
It’s a fun shooter too. Not as nice as the .380, but much easier to shoot than the .45
j8064
Garrett Co Hooligan #1
Aw, the 45 is a lotta fun. But it's definitely a beast compared to the .380.
I sense another Hooligan Monkey Gun Shoot is in our near future...
Mr H
Banana'd
So, you're saying they'll do the job if you're desperate enough??!!
I like them. Fugly as can be, but they go bang when you want them to.
MikeSP
Ultimate Member
I like 995 TS. I got it used - $190 from The Gun Shop in Essex.
It is a blow back rifle, a bit heavy, but they rock. I used to sell them at one time when they weren't as refined as they are today. My customers liked them so I took one out and ran it through some trials. It never had a malfunction and I was shooting 2 inch groups at 50 yards with my handloads. I would say they are worth the money.
That first photo... she looks more zoftig than fat. And that's not a moped.
That's a Vespa for sure. Mopeds were never thought of when Vespa's ruled the road.
Own a 4595. Ugly, heavy, cheap goes bang every time. Hits what you aim for. Just to echo other posts 9 round OEM mags are an issue.
Everybody who has posted giddy endorsements of the Monkey Gun already owns at least several other rifles. Most of us own dozens of rifles and pistols.
The OP asked about an "entry level rifle." He didn't say, but that sounds like this may be his first and perhaps only rifle.
If that is the case, I still strongly recommend he pays a little more and gets an actual rifle, an AR 15.
The AR may cost three times as much, but it is at least twenty times the rifle. Heck, the Hi Point is not even a rifle. It's a Pistol Caliber Carbine.
The AR can do everything the Monkey Gun can do, and better. It can also do lots and lots and lots more.
If the OP wants to learn to shoot a rifle, the Hi Point would be a bad choice. The AR 15 would be an excellent choice.
One widely respected introductory rifle marksmanship clinic is the Appleseed shoot. Many of us have gone through an Appleseed. The AR, with the best iron sights of any service rifle in history, with excellent precision accuracy, is an ideal choice for a centerfire Appleseed. I cannot imagine a Hi Point has the precision necessary for an Appleseed.
The AR can grow with the user. It can be configured and reconfigured for bullseye competition at 600 yards, or for three gun competition. It can be used for hunting, even of big game with an appropriate caliber change. It is an excellent choice for all uses from CQB at three yards to 600 yard precision riflery, for tin cans, paper targets, watermelons, groundhogs, poodles, burglars, commies, even deer, bear, and elk (with an appropriate caliber upgrade).
The Monkey Gun can do some of that, sort of. The AR can do it all, and more.
You guys all own both Hi Points and ARs. If you could only own one rifle, just one for your entire life, would you give up your AR15s for a Monkey Gun?
I think the OP is looking to buy his first rifle. It may be the only rifle he ever owns. It will be the rifle with which he learns to shoot.
The Hi Point would be a very bad choice for that role.
The AR 15 would be the ideal choice.
j8064
Garrett Co Hooligan #1
Threeband, I agree with what you're saying. "If" a Hi Point is one's only rifle ever, then an AR is a much better platform. I think most of us would also agree firearms have a tendency to multiply.
If the OP is looking for an entry level rifle to learn shooting fundamentals and accuracy techniques, a smaller caliber bolt rifle or a semi auto 10/22 or Marlin 60 would be a better entry platform than either an AR or Hi Point IMHO. It all depends on the intended use of the tool. They carve artsy marble statues with small chisels, but jack hammers are better to remove old sidewalks.
Although the OP doesn't mention home defense, between an AR or Hi Point carbine for that purpose I'd prefer a pistol caliber round at close range with a handgun. Frankly I don't think either an AR or Monkey Gun would be my first choice inside. But if it came to that, a 40 or 45 Hi Point carbine could give me 10 reliable rounds, easy to place at close range, that would not go through every wall inside the house. After that? Another mag or two and then a sidearm.
Very true statement.
And for first rifles my bet is few of us began with AR's, Monkey Guns, K98 Mausers or 1861 Springfields etc. But, again, what is meant by "entry level"? Entry to what? 
Either way, this thread got me to dig a couple of Monkey Guns out of a safe and take them to this morning's Hooligan shoot. (I don't admit to owning Hi Points
) That old 4095 I bought years ago for $200 continues to amaze me. It's such a fun and accurate little carbine...
If the OP is looking for an entry level rifle to learn shooting fundamentals and accuracy techniques, a smaller caliber bolt rifle or a semi auto 10/22 or Marlin 60 would be a better entry platform than either an AR or Hi Point IMHO. It all depends on the intended use of the tool. They carve artsy marble statues with small chisels, but jack hammers are better to remove old sidewalks.
Although the OP doesn't mention home defense, between an AR or Hi Point carbine for that purpose I'd prefer a pistol caliber round at close range with a handgun. Frankly I don't think either an AR or Monkey Gun would be my first choice inside. But if it came to that, a 40 or 45 Hi Point carbine could give me 10 reliable rounds, easy to place at close range, that would not go through every wall inside the house. After that? Another mag or two and then a sidearm.
Very true statement.
And for first rifles my bet is few of us began with AR's, Monkey Guns, K98 Mausers or 1861 Springfields etc. But, again, what is meant by "entry level"? Entry to what? Either way, this thread got me to dig a couple of Monkey Guns out of a safe and take them to this morning's Hooligan shoot. (I don't admit to owning Hi Points
) That old 4095 I bought years ago for $200 continues to amaze me. It's such a fun and accurate little carbine...Attachments
DaftPict
Member
I agree with the comments that it’s not recommended as a first or only rifle... but for me it’s a cheap reliable and accurate up to 50yd firearm to keep in the truck as a SHTF gun!
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Yes, we really have no idea what the OP is looking for, or what his experience level is, or anything else.
I just thought it was important to address the actual needs of the actual Original Poster, on the off chance that he really is looking for a one and only entry level rifle.
I just thought it was important to address the actual needs of the actual Original Poster, on the off chance that he really is looking for a one and only entry level rifle.
buellsfurn
Ultimate Member
Americana made in Ohio life time warranty maybe transferable
