So.. What are the realistic odds of the Clinton Era ban coming back?

rouchna · Mar 27, 2018

I’m so f*#*ing tired of this. The left will never stop at trying to erode our 2A rights. I’m tired of being the complacent gun owner, I’m tired of standing on the sidelines. Enough is enough. I dare these motherf*#*kers to try anything that remotely furthers the infringement on my 2nd amendment rights. I’m tired, I’m getting older, and I’ve had it with these anti American f*ckwads. Bring on the fight and when you do, you better be prepared to man the f*ck up because I surely will.

RepublicOfFranklin · Mar 27, 2018

lazarus said:
Biggest reason why is at least with current governmental structure is most of the red states are net drains and most of the blue states are net contributors when you look at who is paying taxes and who gets federal dollars. So red states if they split off would have to massively slash spending and raise taxes.

Obvious that isn’t ALL red states take more than they contribute just like not all blue states give more than they take. But look at the top 12. New Mexico and Oregon are the only blue states in the top 12.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

You have a point, although I think under a blue/red straight split the money could be made up through trade. Export fees for any food shipped to blue states, charge a premium on NV water going to CA, etc. although at that point we’re playing an hours long game of “what if : trade wars edition” lol

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Robert2888 · Mar 27, 2018

East2West said:
"More to the point, why didn't we rise up three years ago, when they started taking our guns away?................. Why didn't we make a final end to this obnoxious and eternally pushy clan, this pestilence from the sewers of the East, instead of meekly allowing ourselves to be disarmed?
The answer is easy. We would have rebelled if all that has been imposed on us in the last 50 years had been attempted at once. But because the chains that bind us were forged imperceptibly, link by link, we submitted."

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The author is William Luther Pierce and this is from the "Turner Diaries"

Bob A · Mar 28, 2018

The Clinton assault weapon ban turned around and bit its sponsors in the ass. A passel of RINOs might find themselves out of work, and Dems in shall-issue states - where the indoctrination hasn't solidified - will suffer as well, if they supported a ban.

I don't think Congress is dumb enough to expect to pass a bill without a sunset clause, if it actually comes into being. And in that hypothetical case, if Trump fails to veto it, the opportunity to return the country to its proper course may be lost for a generation. I see no evidence of game-changing political figures waiting in the wings, just the same old pack of scabrous grafting greedy poltroons that we've had since the "greatest generation" pols left the scene. Which is not to say that they were all saints, but the quality was higher than the available choices for the last few decades.

When folks here of a certain vintage pass on, no one will be left who remembers a free, sane America. Sad.

scjamesm · Mar 28, 2018

I'm not so sure...for some reason I feel the left is going to lose big in November, when it comes to democrats they are alienating about 20% of their political base when it comes to the far left ideology. While people aren't exactly enamored with Trump at the moment, people also realize it's a bigger issue than him. When you look at the facts, it leads me to believe the left is digging itself a grave.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

sgt23preston · Mar 28, 2018

I expect the NEXT Democratic Presidential Candidate to run on a ticket to re-impose a permanent AW Ban during his first 100 days in office...

TRUMP is NOT Popular nor is he a Republican...

Lots of people who voted for him the last time will NOT vote for him for a 2nd term...

I predict that the Dems (and all new teeny bopper voters) will show up in DROVES like we have never seen before...

I expect the Democrats to WIN it all in 2020...

I just hope that I'm dead wrong...

crashmore · Mar 28, 2018

scjamesm said:
I'm not so sure...for some reason I feel the left is going to lose big in November, when it comes to democrats they are alienating about 20% of their political base when it comes to the far left ideology. While people aren't exactly enamored with Trump at the moment, people also realize it's a bigger issue than him. When you look at the facts, it leads me to believe the left is digging itself a grave.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/

I tend to agree here but I’m not taking it for granted. I think the fact that they’ve gone from the we don’t want to take your guns to being exposed for what most of us have known all along changes things. I think we’ll show up in mass come Election Day. Hell im not a huge trump fan myself but this has forced me to become such a one issue voter and I’d rather have him in there than someone who ain’t shy about wanting to repeal the 2nd.

RepublicOfFranklin · Mar 28, 2018

Robert2888 said:
The author is William Luther Pierce and this is from the "Turner Diaries"

Yikes. Just yikes.

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Tebonski · Mar 28, 2018

Safe as long as Trump is pres. Replace one or two Scotus justices and we're safe for a few decades. In time there will be the confluence of dem pres, dem Congress and dem Scotus and that's when the US is no longer recognizable. They will reorder everything. I honestly believe they will flog NRA members by confiscating your social insecurity benefits by blaming NRA for all the gun violence. When they have the courts they will do things that will make Obama seem like a Reagan Conservative. Unless Hispanics start voting repubican I see no way to avoid this future. I hope and pray I am wrong.

Dirichlet · Mar 28, 2018

The worst and saddest part of all of this is that the proposed AWBs (and the anti-2A movement at-large) are merely a smaller symptom of forces trying to destroy the Untied States and Western civilization as a whole. This current attack on 2A is part and parcel of a larger game to delegitimize, weaken, end eventually destroy the US. If you look at where the funding and organization came from, you end up right at Soros' front door. The funding sponsoring the leftist politicians, the funding supporting postmodernist neo-Marxist indoctrination (wholly successful in universities and now showing strongly in high schools and even elementary schools), and the funding supporting anti-2A movements all come from the same place. Whether it ends in a boundaryless civil war, the dissolution of the republic into fractured sub-states, or simply the kowtowing of the American public to a socialist dictatorship, the end goal and result are the same - destroying the US and every other powerful nation, and supplanting them with a one-world socialist "open society."

I'm not sure how we counter the billions of dollars being spent annually by nefarious actors (like Soros), nor how we counter the 50+ years of leftist indoctrination... but awareness that the anti-2A movement is a small part of the larger picture is a good place to start.

dreadpirate · Mar 28, 2018

Not that I want this kind of thing to come back, I don't. How much of a ban was the 1994 ban really? Existing weapons were "assault weapons" were grand fathered. The ones you did buy had to be what? No folding telescoping or folding stock and flash suppressor? So there were a lot of lop holes. The current MD ban is worse. Of course back then you did not hear mainstream media calling for the removal of the second amendment either.

dreadpirate · Mar 28, 2018

Dirichlet said:
The worst and saddest part of all of this is that the proposed AWBs (and the anti-2A movement at-large) are merely a smaller symptom of forces trying to destroy the Untied States and Western civilization as a whole. This current attack on 2A is part and parcel of a larger game to delegitimize, weaken, end eventually destroy the US. If you look at where the funding and organization came from, you end up right at Soros' front door. The funding sponsoring the leftist politicians, the funding supporting postmodernist neo-Marxist indoctrination (wholly successful in universities and now showing strongly in high schools and even elementary schools), and the funding supporting anti-2A movements all come from the same place. Whether it ends in a boundaryless civil war, the dissolution of the republic into fractured sub-states, or simply the kowtowing of the American public to a socialist dictatorship, the end goal and result are the same - destroying the US and every other powerful nation, and supplanting them with a one-world socialist "open society."

I'm not sure how we counter the billions of dollars being spent annually by nefarious actors (like Soros), nor how we counter the 50+ years of leftist indoctrination... but awareness that the anti-2A movement is a small part of the larger picture is a good place to start.

Yes. This is not simply about a so-called assault weapons ban; this is something much bigger.

Jimbob2.0 · Mar 28, 2018

dreadpirate said:
Not that I want this kind of thing to come back, I don't. How much of a ban was the 1994 ban really? Existing weapons were "assault weapons" were grand fathered. The ones you did buy had to be what? No folding telescoping or folding stock and flash suppressor? So there were a lot of lop holes. The current MD ban is worse. Of course back then you did not hear mainstream media calling for the removal of the second amendment either.

They will go bigger this time. I lived through the original AWB, guns made before X were good, guns made after were a problem. Huge deference to U.S. manufacturer hence the AR was virtually untouched.

Mags were available though very pricey (I would advise a moderate buying program). If they do an outright ban I am not sure what will happen.

NFA option for semis with detachable "standard" mags seems off the table.

Passionate youth, lack of understanding of historical precedent, and social media makes things precarious at best.

rob-cubed · Mar 28, 2018

I'm sure y'all are well aware of the need to take libs and "fencers" out to the range... what will really kill us is pervasive ignorance. When your exposure to guns is X amount of kids killed, that is how you measure their value.

Every person I take shooting for the first time returns at least slightly more educated and appreciative of our point of view.

Hearts and minds, one at a time. It's the only way we can win.

yakfish · Mar 30, 2018

aquaman said:
Not just because of guns but the urban / rural divide will result in left/right groups in armed conflict. This exact scenario played out in Austria between WW1 and the Anschulss. How it plays out from there is anyone's guess, it could fizzle out or go full-blown Yugoslavia.

If it starts, you'd better hope it goes Balkan, and each side takes their respective territories. Because if it doesn't, we're gonna be digging graves for years. I ain't got time fo dat.

I'll relocate to someplace else. But I don't wanna spend the next half decade burying dead leftists

yakfish · Mar 30, 2018

rob-cubed said:
I'm sure y'all are well aware of the need to take libs and "fencers" out to the range... what will really kill us is pervasive ignorance. When your exposure to guns is X amount of kids killed, that is how you measure their value.

Every person I take shooting for the first time returns at least slightly more educated and appreciative of our point of view.

Hearts and minds, one at a time. It's the only way we can win.

This is mostly a waste of time. I've tried.

They smile, they laugh, they have a great time. Then on the ride home they still say they should be banned.

I've wittenessed this more times than I have fingers.

mdoffroad · Apr 1, 2018

I worry about the whole “outright ban” of no grandfathering, both for firearms and magazines. Thats my worry.

Jimbob2.0 · Apr 1, 2018

dreadpirate said:
Not that I want this kind of thing to come back, I don't. How much of a ban was the 1994 ban really? Existing weapons were "assault weapons" were grand fathered. The ones you did buy had to be what? No folding telescoping or folding stock and flash suppressor? So there were a lot of lop holes. The current MD ban is worse. Of course back then you did not hear mainstream media calling for the removal of the second amendment either.

They will get bigger this time, we need to stop pretending that the people controlling the anti strings are stupid. They know the loopholes, for example ARs certainly wont make it through intact. Grandfathering is probably likely due to issues with "property taking" but don't be surprised if they have approaches to deal with that that are technically legal.

psycosteve · Apr 1, 2018

Jimbob2.0 said:
Grandfathering is probably likely due to issues with "property taking" but don't be surprised if they have approaches to deal with that that are technically legal.

It is called a mandatory buyback program. You will get pennies on the dollar for what you paid for your firearm and then slowly work thru the NICS paperwork to find the rest of them. At that point, I would suspect a lot of people who would not have turned in their AR's would be putting in the third hole in them. All anticipation of the midnight knock on the door.

Kashmir1008 · Apr 2, 2018

Muleskinner said:
A new AWB isn't going to just ban ARs and AKs like the old one. I suspect it will ban any mag fed semis, possibly including pistols.

This will be the issue before SCOTUS should they take it up. Given the mag fed semi rifle make up nearly a 3rd of owned firearms, would SCOTUS see them as "in common use" and therefore protected under the 2nd or would they see a ban on semi rifles as a narrowly tailored law designed to meet a compelling need on behalf of public safety?

The pistol question is even harder I think. On the one hand the pistol represents a far greater threat to public safety but since they are even more commonly used than rifles for self defense how do ban more than half the handguns in the country? Is that a narrowly tailored law, implemented in the least restrictive manner?

In any event we need to check off the boxes first. Soapbox, voting box, jury box

then we'll see where we stand.

I hope Alan Gura is in good health

So.. What are the realistic odds of the Clinton Era ban coming back?

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