Is this legal?

Suleiman · Feb 15, 2012

I bought a few 30rd Pmags at the Chantilly show and I intend to put on ranger plates for the Tacti-cool appearance.
Would putting the new baseplates be considered Manufacturing a 30rd magazine? If so, is it also a problem taking them appart to clean them and then reassemble them?
I am just curious of how specific the legalities are. I do not expect to bump into any legal trouble in my workshop.

aquaman · Feb 15, 2012

Suleiman said:
I bought a few 30rd Pmags at the Chantilly show and I intend to put on ranger plates for the Tacti-cool appearance.
Would putting the new baseplates be considered Manufacturing a 30rd magazine? If so, is it also a problem taking them appart to clean them and then reassemble them?
I am just curious of how specific the legalities are. I do not expect to bump into any legal trouble in my workshop.

My advice is that you delete your thread and do what you want with your mags and keep it to yourself.

ArmyMSG · Feb 15, 2012

Yeah, what he said! ^

Suleiman · Feb 15, 2012

I have no intention of doing anything illegal. If I get feedback saying this is illegal, I'll just bring these with me next time I visit my brother across the bridge. I am just curious as to how specific the laws are?
Are the Anti-tilt followers into standard USGI mags also a problem?

futureseabee · Feb 15, 2012

Suleiman said:
I have no intention of doing anything illegal. If I get feedback saying this is illegal, I'll just bring these with me next time I visit my brother across the bridge. I am just curious as to how specific the laws are?
Are the Anti-tilt followers into standard USGI mags also a problem?

I believe it is legal to disassemble for cleaning, and as long as your modifications do not increase capacity you should be g2g on that too
I am not a lawyer

Ab_Normal · Feb 15, 2012

As long as you do not have a net increase in the # of 30 rd mags by swapping parts you haven't manufactured anything.

Silverlode · Feb 15, 2012

aquaman said:
My advice is that you delete your thread and do what you want with your mags and keep it to yourself.

You sound like on of those Americans. Aren't many of those around anymore. Unfortunately.

wlc · Feb 15, 2012

just make sure when you modify them you are outside the md state lines

erwos · Feb 15, 2012

Ab_Normal said:
As long as you do not have a net increase in the # of 30 rd mags by swapping parts you haven't manufactured anything.

Disagree. By removing the base plate, it is no longer a magazine, but instead just parts. By putting a new one in, he has manufactured a magazine. In other words, you DID increase the number of 30rd magazines, because you decreased it by one moments earlier.

I would perform this operation in VA if you care about the legality of it.

-Z/28- · Feb 15, 2012

How is this any different than taking apart a firearm and changing parts? It's still the same gun. You haven't made a new one. I see no problem. Or to use the cliche line: I think the authorities have better things to worry about.

*I'm not a lawyer, just an opinionated young whippersnapper.

Silverlode · Feb 15, 2012

I don't really understand the point of this debate. Is there any way that anyone, LEO or not, in any state, would be able to tell you replaced a part on a magazine? How would they prove you didn't buy it that way? How would they prove, even if you admitted to changing a part, that you did it within the state? Why would they care in the first place?

Disagree. By removing the base plate, it is no longer a magazine, but instead just parts. By putting a new one in, he has manufactured a magazine. In other words, you DID increase the number of 30rd magazines, because you decreased it by one moments earlier.

So if I replace the spring in a 30 round mag I broke the law? I don't buy that, and again, even if I did, in what scenario could it possibly matter?

FIREHAWK · Feb 15, 2012

how can you manufacture something that is already manufactured? i didnt manufacture my car engine when i modified it.

unless you live in a see threw house no one can prove sh*t. do you really think maryland will kick in your door for a baseplate. while your at it dont dare drive 56mph on 695 or 66mph on 95.

I do not know · Feb 15, 2012

One person advised swapping the parts in VA, I second that. While I do not know exactly if it is legal or not to do that here, I would not want to take any chances on it. Also, delete this thread.

GNLaFrance · Feb 15, 2012

The Battered Gun Owner Syndrome is strong in this thread.

FIREHAWK · Feb 15, 2012

GNLaFrance said:
The Battered Gun Owner Syndrome is strong in this thread.

fo sho, they ought to give reynolds wrap out when you pass safety training.

Suleiman · Feb 15, 2012

http://www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/getfile.aspx?file=29.03.01.30.htm

I just wanted to spark a discussion on this topic.

GNLaFrance said:
The Battered Gun Owner Syndrome is strong in this thread.

That's pretty accurate. How muddled are the laws that this sort of question is even a question. I suppose it all comes down to semantics right?

If I replace base plates or followers, that shouldn't be considered manufacture right? It's a modification, but I wouldn't say it is Manufacture.

FIREHAWK · Feb 15, 2012

Suleiman said:
http://www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/getfile.aspx?file=29.03.01.30.htm

I just wanted to spark a discussion on this topic.

That's pretty accurate. How muddled are the laws that this sort of question is even a question. I suppose it all comes down to semantics right?

If I replace base plates or followers, that shouldn't be considered manufacture right? It's a modification, but I wouldn't say it is Manufacture.

CORRECT nothing you did made it high capacity PERIOD

JDove · Feb 15, 2012

Sounds like a "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" discussion. :innocent0

Markp · Feb 15, 2012

Suleiman said:
I have no intention of doing anything illegal. If I get feedback saying this is illegal, I'll just bring these with me next time I visit my brother across the bridge. I am just curious as to how specific the laws are?
Are the Anti-tilt followers into standard USGI mags also a problem?

Are you manufacturing or repairing????

The line is awfully blurry.

Markp · Feb 15, 2012

-Z/28- said:
How is this any different than taking apart a firearm and changing parts? It's still the same gun. You haven't made a new one. I see no problem. Or to use the cliche line: I think the authorities have better things to worry about.

*I'm not a lawyer, just an opinionated young whippersnapper.

Hey, what if you change receivers and nothing else?

Would it be the same gun??? ATF would say NO.

What if you modify it to be full auto?

Is that manufacturing a machine gun? ATF would say YES.

Is this legal?

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