Rep. Hudson to introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

danb · Dec 12, 2017

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying don't vote for this its pointless. I dont think that they have the 60 votes for it, but if they do they should pass it.

I am simply saying: Realistically, it will be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, likely through the 9th. Passing this is no substitute for having pro-2A justices on the court. Without a change in makeup, this is only a temporary patch. Being rich for a day or a year is still better than being poor forever.

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 12, 2017

danb said:
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying don't vote for this its pointless. I dont think that they have the 60 votes for it, but if they do they should pass it.

I am simply saying: Realistically, it will be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, likely through the 9th. Passing this is no substitute for having pro-2A justices on the court. Without a change in makeup, this is only a temporary patch. Being rich for a day or a year is still better than being poor forever.

They don't have 60 votes, and never will. They need to find some other Senate rule to get it passed if they want to (which the leadership does not).

press1280 · Dec 12, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
They don't have 60 votes, and never will. They need to find some other Senate rule to get it passed if they want to (which the leadership does not).

Or add more stuff to it

ComeGet · Dec 12, 2017

Couldn't decide which thread to put this in. Went with the House one because of subject matter.

The WaPo gives Pelosi three Pinocchios for her claim that reciprocity will invite violent criminals to carry concealed weapons (as if they don't already).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-1115am:homepage/story&utm_term=.7aabb41f178e

We wavered between Two and Three Pinocchios but ultimately settled on Three because her last line — “the @HouseGOP just voted to do exactly that” — is so over the top and exaggerated. One can have a respectful political debate, raising the issue of a lower common denominator for concealed-weapons permits, without accusing the other side of voting to let violent criminals and stalkers have guns.

knastera · Dec 12, 2017

In that article, it also quotes an analyst from the Cato Institute as saying that the Senate version of the bill does not allow people with non-resident permits to carry in their home states. Not happy about that.

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 12, 2017

knastera said:
In that article, it also quotes an analyst from the Cato Institute as saying that the Senate version of the bill does not allow people with non-resident permits to carry in their home states. Not happy about that.

No one is, but I totally understand it. Otherwise, everyone will just get the NR permit from the easiest/cheapest state. If we need to put that in to get the bill to pass, so be it.

knastera · Dec 12, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
No one is, but I totally understand it. Otherwise, everyone will just get the NR permit from the easiest/cheapest state. If we need to put that in to get the bill to pass, so be it.

I guess some progress is better than none.

Vetted84 · Dec 12, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
No one is, but I totally understand it. Otherwise, everyone will just get the NR permit from the easiest/cheapest state. If we need to put that in to get the bill to pass, so be it.

Exactly! Without a home state provision the easiest/cheapest state becomes the law of the land. That is never going to fly.

knastera · Dec 12, 2017

It's a non win for Marylanders with restricted permits because, as we saw earner in the thread, other states are enforcing those restrictions. So even if I get a Maryland W&C with a business related restriction, it will only be good elsewhere if I'm conducting business.

JPG · Dec 12, 2017

knastera said:
It's a non win for Marylanders with restricted permits because, as we saw earner in the thread, other states are enforcing those restrictions. So even if I get a Maryland W&C with a business related restriction, it will only be good elsewhere if I'm conducting business.

Go to the handgun board and get the restriction removed. There may be new language that says "unrestricted when traveling outside the Great State of Maryland".

swinokur · Dec 12, 2017

Some states may enforce MD restrictions. Some will not. We have no definitive list of states that do.

It also may depend on the wording of signed reciprocity agreements between states.

I'm guessing the number of states that enforce MD restrictions is quite small.

To some states, a permit is a permit.

And some states may continue o honor NR permits, so you could carry unrestricted in those states.

knastera · Dec 12, 2017

Since I'm a wear and carry instructor, maybe I can get them to do that.

GTOGUNNER · Dec 12, 2017

swinokur said:
Some states may enforce MD restrictions. Some will not. We have no definitive list of states that do.

It also may depend on the wording of signed reciprocity agreements between states.

I'm guessing the number of states that enforce MD restrictions is quite small.

To some states, a permit is a permit.

And some states may continue o honor NR permits, so you could carry unrestricted in those states.

Heck,, Most Maryland police officers have no idea about the restrictions anyway.

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 12, 2017

knastera said:
It's a non win for Marylanders with restricted permits because, as we saw earner in the thread, other states are enforcing those restrictions. So even if I get a Maryland W&C with a business related restriction, it will only be good elsewhere if I'm conducting business.

You could still get an unrestricted Florida or Utah permit and carry elsewhere with no issues (under the Senate bill).

swinokur · Dec 12, 2017

Actually either bill would allow carry in any state with a NR permit.

Only the House bill would allow carry in your home state on another NR permit.

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 12, 2017

swinokur said:
Actually either bill would allow carry in any state with a NR permit.

Only the House bill would allow carry in your home state on another NR permit.

That's correct. I meant it in the sense that "In the Senate bill, you cant' carry in your own state with a NR permit." No sweat off my back. I'll buy a condo in another state and establish residency there.

knastera · Dec 12, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
You could still get an unrestricted Florida or Utah permit and carry elsewhere with no issues (under the Senate bill).

I hadn't thought about that. I already have an unrestricted Virginia NR permit.

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 12, 2017

knastera said:
I hadn't thought about that. I already have an unrestricted Virginia NR permit.

Assuming the Senate bill is the final and it passes, you'd be fine then in all states + D.C. OTHER than Maryland.

swinokur · Dec 19, 2017

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5033338&postcount=1

Inigoes · Dec 26, 2017

An interesting article about HR 38

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/12/read-hr-38-national-carry-reciprocity/#axzz52OHYpedO

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