What can we learn from the Bundy ranch situation?

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  • TxAggie

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 25, 2012
    4,734
    Anne Arundel County, MD
    You all know we are fvcked here, right? The intent of our country was SPELLED OUT that the government is supposed to fear the people. However, as I think most of us agree, the government is pretty much solely interested in continuing to have the power that it does. They will do whatever it takes to keep the people in line.



    I'm not saying concentration camps, I'm saying things like monitoring everyone's communications dragnet-style, and paying more attention to the dissenters. "domestic terrorists". Shit, the very idea of terrorism being played up as much as it is! Its orwellian.



    So, we see that the Fed AWB sunsets, and the people are not for another. The government decides, "well since we want a docile populace that is squarely under the yolk we placed, it would be easier to keep em in line by letting the loud ones have guns. Its not like they have the armored personnel carriers our sherrifs depts now have, nor fully automatics. A revolution is unlikely."



    What this did was show us, them, and the world that if push comes to shove people are willing to stand up to the government. Armed insurrection isn't just a hilarious joke to them now. Combine that with growing numbers of poor, disenfranchised gun owners, more guns being sold now than ever before, a sh!tty and sinking economy, and international tensions, and the US government now has urgency.



    They MUST stop gun ownership in this country. This has to be very high on their priorities right now. If they cant do it outright, ban lead smelting (done). Start restricting ammo importation (being done). Attempt mass registration (being proposed). Start trying to use peoples mental health as a quantifier for gun ownership when THEY DRAFT THE QUALIFICATIONS (being done).



    They have been picking away idly, shooting for one day. I have a feeling that "one day" just got moved a hell of a lot closer. I think the Bundy ranch will prove to have been very bad for the 2nd ammendment as we know it down the line.


    Except that It's no longer just individuals standing up to the Feds, states are now starting to openly defy Federal intervention. They are starting to remember that little thing known as the Tenth Amendment. Between states passing nullification laws, and states like Texas openly telling the Feds to F-off, individuals are feeling more empowered than ever.

    I've said it countless times since last spring, most everyone here looks at all of these events through the prism of being from Maryland. That we are doomed to fall into socialism. Once you get away from either coast, what the media deems Fly-over country, the general feel of the communities is much different.

    Even after everything the major networks threw at the Newtown story, public opinion nationally is AGAINST more gun control. The media makes it sound like we are in the minority, but I promise you on a national basis we are not.
     

    Docster

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 19, 2010
    9,768
    Except that It's no longer just individuals standing up to the Feds, states are now starting to openly defy Federal intervention. They are starting to remember that little thing known as the Tenth Amendment. Between states passing nullification laws, and states like Texas openly telling the Feds to F-off, individuals are feeling more empowered than ever.

    I've said it countless times since last spring, most everyone here looks at all of these events through the prism of being from Maryland. That we are doomed to fall into socialism. Once you get away from either coast, what the media deems Fly-over country, the general feel of the communities is much different.

    Even after everything the major networks threw at the Newtown story, public opinion nationally is AGAINST more gun control. The media makes it sound like we are in the minority, but I promise you on a national basis we are not.

    I heartedly agree and have said much the same before. Middle America is getting madder and madder. Middle America will help keep the rest of the country on the right course.
     

    K.C.Dean

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 1, 2013
    2,844
    Buds Creek
    Yowell won his case against the BLM

    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...ase-against-blm-grazing-fees-dismissed-100887

    Still, .gov took more than their share

    His case was dismissed. Yes he didn't have to pay the $180,000 and stopped the gov. from taking his SS checks. He had to sell all his cattle and is not raising cattle anymore. I believe that if a hadn't been a Native American it would have turned out different. He was suing for millions and like he said" they threw me a bone".

    The Bundy situation is'nt over. Time is on the BLM's side and those fees are getting bigger. Mr. Bundy might have an accident then the BLM will go after his estate. I am sure they have a lein against his ranch.
     

    Bigdtc

    Ultimate Member
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    Dec 6, 2007
    6,673
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    His case was dismissed. Yes he didn't have to pay the $180,000 and stopped the gov. from taking his SS checks. He had to sell all his cattle and is not raising cattle anymore. I believe that if a hadn't been a Native American it would have turned out different. He was suing for millions and like he said" they threw me a bone".

    The Bundy situation is'nt over. Time is on the BLM's side and those fees are getting bigger. Mr. Bundy might have an accident then the BLM will go after his estate. I am sure they have a lein against his ranch.

    Yeah, but if they already have a lien then it should end there. That's what everyone else does. Either wait for the ranch to be sold or for him to die and claim the lien.. That's the crux of the whole situation. Any other court rules against the def then the plaintiff gets a lien and that's it. They can also get interest on the amount owed with the lien. So, why the big hurry to reclaim the land by force?
     

    Alutacon

    Desert Storm
    May 22, 2013
    1,120
    Bowie
    Once one concludes the government is no longer valid (i.e. the official govt violates the very document that gives it validity) there is no longer a moral imperative to follow the laws imposed by that govt.

    Rob.

    you sound like a damn fool
     

    PO2012

    Active Member
    Oct 24, 2013
    815
    you sound like a damn fool

    He sounds like a prescient man to me.

    Contempt for government is growing by leaps and bounds. Hatred for the Federal Government is perhaps the strongest but hatred for state and local government isn't far behind in many places. The reality is that if even a small percentage of the American people decide to actively resist the government then the whole system collapses. The Officers in my agency are hard pressed to keep the lid on with a fraction of one percent of the population engaged in persistent lawlessness. If that number reached a full one percent we would have to declare a state of emergency, go to a 24 hours on / 24 hours off schedule and put four men in each patrol car. Each Officer would have to turn out in full riot gear and be armed with a rifle or a shotgun. If that number reached a full two percent of the population the Governor would have to call out the National Guard and hope that they could hold on long enough for the regular Army to arrive in Division strength. If that number reached three percent, the Governor or President (depending on who was giving the orders at that point) would have three choices: suppress the insurrection through the use of air strikes and heavy artillery, break the will of the insurgency using starvation by laying siege to the city or accepting defeat and withdrawing from the field.

    You may not like what he said but his post reflects the thoughts and feelings of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people across the U.S. and these are folks who don't care whether others think them a fool or not. Ugly times lie ahead.
     

    iH8DemLibz

    When All Else Fails.
    Apr 1, 2013
    25,396
    Libtardistan
    Which is why I keep saying this is not about the shiny, spinning cows that people are so focally fixated on.

    It's about the Government picking a fight with the civilian population.

    So the Government can then ban and confiscate firearms that are owned by the domestic terrorists.
     

    Baccusboy

    Teecha, teecha
    Oct 10, 2010
    13,881
    Seoul
    Lesson: the media and libs will interject race into an issue to dumb it down and deligitimize it.

    They have been baiting this as a race issue for a week now, and Bundy was dumb and fell for it. And now they will use race to justify gov't action.
     

    rwbow1969

    Get Wiffit
    Dec 10, 2011
    4,154
    Clearspring
    The media didn't have to. Looks like Bundy did that himself....:mad54:

    http://news.msn.com/us/nevada-rancher-condemned-for-racist-remarks

    Now the cause can be distracted away to something else instead of the original issue.

    He merely walked straight into the trap.

    MSNBC spent an entire segment last week making this a "racism" issue, long before Bundy said a thing.

    I don't take anything from the New York Slimes as truth. I smell a liberal rat. Bait and switch.
     

    K.C.Dean

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 1, 2013
    2,844
    Buds Creek
    Yeah, but if they already have a lien then it should end there. That's what everyone else does. Either wait for the ranch to be sold or for him to die and claim the lien.. That's the crux of the whole situation. Any other court rules against the def then the plaintiff gets a lien and that's it. They can also get interest on the amount owed with the lien. So, why the big hurry to reclaim the land by force?

    I agree and there must be more to it than what has been reported. This situation is definitely more than the money he owes. It is clear that the Federal Government wants the land vacated by the Bundy's cattle and it's not about a desert tortoise. I do think that because Bundy owes money and has had his day in court which he lost and is thumbing his nose at BLM in defiance. The BLM was going to use him as an example. However they had no idea a bunch of people would show up to stand with Bundy.

    Nancy Pelosi wanted to campare this with Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma bombing because of the date. Bundy did't choose the date BLM did. Just like the ATF with Waco. What was the big rush there. They could have waited for Koresh to leave.

    Now the BLM is after land in Texas. 90, 000 acres that is private land and the owner has a deed and has been paying taxes on it. What's up with that?
     

    alucard0822

    For great Justice
    Oct 29, 2007
    17,643
    PA
    Watch the video. This guy is a dyed-in-the-wool racist.



    Yup, every bit as racist as most older folks in free states, it will cost him in his position under the media spotlight, but White, black, or purple people form their own opinions on other races, often times without being shy about it, and that is our right.
     

    ShallNotInfringe

    Lil Firecracker
    Feb 17, 2013
    8,554
    Guess it's ok for the government to point guns at a "racist" citizen to settle a financial/property dispute.

    Boy that "racist" thing is working out real well for the D's hmmmmm?

    But not prosecute David Gregory for committing a crime on national television. Hmmmm.
     

    Bigdtc

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    Dec 6, 2007
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    Watched the vid, fail to see racism. He was only making the point that during slavery they(slaves) worked(ie: picked cotton) but they had a family structure even after they were frees. Nowadays, that family structure is gone because the Government handouts are there and those subsidies allow for too much spare time and sitting around when they should be working. If they were working they can do far more things then hang out on the stoop..
    I have seen lots of old-timers try to relate such things but are not so handy with their words as the media and race baiters would like.
     

    fidelity

    piled higher and deeper
    MDS Supporter
    Aug 15, 2012
    22,400
    Frederick County
    See the bit after 2:25 ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI

    Clipped out of most reporting because it fails to support the narrative.

    In any case, I think the debate of BLM powers is a separate one that will sustain itself even if this example becomes a brief lasting, media sideshow.

    I'd be interested if Harry Reid has anything to say about the Bundy off the cuff remark given that Reid famously referred to Obama as someone who didn't talk like a black person, but using slightly different language.
     

    inkd

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 4, 2009
    7,512
    Ridge
    He merely walked straight into the trap.

    MSNBC spent an entire segment last week making this a "racism" issue, long before Bundy said a thing.

    It doesn't help when the media can and will hack the interview up however they see fit to make sure it fits whichever agenda they want.

    I guess at some time in the past, journalism was an honorable profession.

    When did that change so drastically?
     

    Afrikeber

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 14, 2013
    6,686
    Urbana, Md.
    Sorry, If your not part if the solution you are part of the problem. Sorry cannot white wash this bigots mindset. I stand for 2nd Ammendment rights for all. When you try to rationalize a racists views you loose standing in what we all believe on this forum. Non infringement of the 2nd Ammendment.
     

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