HQL app date pushed back?

If we don't apply, we are shut off from further purchases and will hurt the very industry that we need to support. But we send the message that we will not comply with their unconstitutional law and we stand up to tyranny by a loud silent message.

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1) Be "not a felon" or otherwise prohibited person
2) Attempt to purchase a handgun after 10/1 without a HQL
3) Dealer is obligated to deny your purchase for lack of HQL
4) Document the snot out of the transaction
5) File suit against State of Maryland

Yep, time for Jury box (though soap and ballot are still valid and we should continue to pursue them as well.) Silence will accomplish nothing.

ShallNotInfringe said:

What case? That we are willing to subject ourselves to yet another form of tyranny? This is a tough situation... Interesting how this law juxtaposes gun purchasers against FFL's.

When they can't fulfill the requests, they will simply claim the backlog is in the interest of public safety, and thank you for your patience. They are counting on the slow wheels of justice with the courts. As soon as they have one law struck down, they have another waiting in the wings to push through. The proportion of time a law is in effect and granted a stay is worth the endless cycle. Plus, they may get lucky and have it upheld. So the odds are worth it in their minds.

I have oscillated over this since my first reading if SB281...should I or shouldn't I? it's a lose lose situation either way.

If we do apply, we are allowing the state to impose yet another restriction on our fundamental, God given right to self defense. The worst part is we are feeding the very beast money to further squander our money imposing further tyranny. And giving the gun grabbers another data point to say, see, they are complying...

If we don't apply, we are shut off from further purchases and will hurt the very industry that we need to support. But we send the message that we will not comply with their unconstitutional law and we stand up to tyranny by a loud silent message.

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I'm hoping that someone will file a suit about the unconstitutionality of the HQL, that its denying the right to ownership.

It is a lose lose either way I agree on that.

If we don't apply then we have shown we will not jump through the hoops for the things we want. And they will have effectively shut us down.

DoubleTap007 said:

I'm hoping that someone will file a suit about the unconstitutionality of the HQL, that its denying the right to ownership.

It is a lose lose either way I agree on that.

If we don't apply then we have shown we will not jump through the hoops for the things we want. And they will have effectively shut us down.

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Yes, it's a game we have to play to get their "fail" out in the open and subjected to a law suit.

ShallNotInfringe-> I agree it's lose/lose and I hate it, but feel I need to show they can not stop me.

What they are hoping for is a great deal of silence. Angry people who can't get a firearm and can't get a license who complain and vote is just what they don't want. Which looks worst in court a few people who get a license after a moderate wait and buy a gun or a whole lot of people who can't get a license after waiting 120+ days and are barred by law from exercising a fundamental, Bill Of Rights guaranteed, right.

Swamp the system make them drown in their own laws.

DoubleTap007 said:

We all need to apply as soon as its available and flood the system and cause a delay, this will really help us make a case.

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This times 100.

A right not exercised is a right lost.

mr h said:

Damn, you're easy!!!

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Yeah, I even just sent her another email letting her know about my warm fuzzies.

-Z/28- said:

This times 100.

A right not applied for is a right lost.

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Edited for accuracy.

I suspect this issue is being worked on behind the scenes and we are not privy to the details YET.

Lots of plates we're spinning...

ShallNotInfringe said:

What case? That we are willing to subject ourselves to yet another form of tyranny? This is a tough situation... Interesting how this law juxtaposes gun purchasers against FFL's.

When they can't fulfill the requests, they will simply claim the backlog is in the interest of public safety, and thank you for your patience. They are counting on the slow wheels of justice with the courts. As soon as they have one law struck down, they have another waiting in the wings to push through. The proportion of time a law is in effect and granted a stay is worth the endless cycle. Plus, they may get lucky and have it upheld. So the odds are worth it in their minds.

I have oscillated over this since my first reading if SB281...should I or shouldn't I? it's a lose lose situation either way.

If we do apply, we are allowing the state to impose yet another restriction on our fundamental, God given right to self defense. The worst part is we are feeding the very beast money to further squander our money imposing further tyranny. And giving the gun grabbers another data point to say, see, they are complying...

If we don't apply, we are shut off from further purchases and will hurt the very industry that we need to support. But we send the message that we will not comply with their unconstitutional law and we stand up to tyranny by a loud silent message.

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Silent message..... really. The best case is Injunction. The worst is what happened in ny everybody just gave up silently..

Trust me I am pissed about the hql. But I have seen what it did to dealers in NY. No hql no dealers. Its that simple half will be gone before the case gets to court.. they will not be back.

Better to start over in other states...

Silent message is like holding your breath till mom ( pun intended) gives in.

I wish we had better options... we don't. But they can use SSN to adimister the hql so that should make it unlikely that they meet the legal dates. That leads to temporary injunction until they can.


Would not surprise me if the AG( after a delay to allow for his non response response) did just what the did on the 7 day release issue --- fold. They will ask the court to suspend the law until they are ready..... we will see..

BTW this is good way to take a poke at mom and mini mom ( Brown) while posturing for the elections. And it prevents the ultimate black eye -- injunction on the merits of the constitutional claim going into the election.
It keeps the issue alive and let's him ( gansler) blame the administration... and the NRA.

They need the issue to rally the base far more than they Ned the law. to take effect. Mom needs both before he leaves office so he can posture for the democratic nomination..

That's how it looks to me anyway.

cap6888 said:

So IF the online process works on October 1. And IF they process the apps in thirty days like they are supposed to. Doesn't that mean that for all intents and purposes, our right to purchase a handgun is delayed for a month?

A right delayed is a right denied, correct?

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Only you forgot that HQL apps will be 2-3 months and the new background check time will be 5-6 months due to staffing issues.

7 month wait coming to a State near you.

Which is the point...the law clearly states that the state has to issue in 30 days. As of Day 31, we get to file for another injunction.

I'm not an attorney, nor am I privy to MSI, NRA, or GOA legal tactics. But this one is pretty obvious.

Some enterprising soul, who is certain they will want/need the HQL, needs to monitor the MDSP.org site like Rosie O'Donnell on a cupcake, and document their progress fastidiously.