Button Instead Of Trigger

Tungsten · Dec 18, 2018

Have there been any rifle designs that utilized a button instead of a trigger for manipulation of the firing process?

I was just wondering about the best process for firing a weapon and wondered why the trigger is the preferred mechanical actuator. I also thought about placement and which finger would actually work best from a biomechanical process.

FrankOceanXray · Dec 18, 2018

Certainly great things to explore.

Biomechanics, kinesiology, ergonomics, industrial engineering... All wonderful things.

To redefine the gun ... The shapes , the usual things in the usual places.... Very wild.

cokebuck · Dec 18, 2018

Shoot by wire ???

That's not dangerous at all......

Mike3888 · Dec 18, 2018

Didn’t some company have a system that used a battery for ignition. I just can’t remember who it was. Muzzleloader maybe

Balzer94 · Dec 18, 2018

Mike3888 said:
Didn’t some company have a system that used a battery for ignition. I just can’t remember who it was. Muzzleloader maybe

https://www.cabelas.com/ensemble/sh...va-electra8482-arc8482-muzzleloaders/8248.uts

Mike3888 · Dec 18, 2018

I though muzzleloader. Good catch.

ToolAA · Dec 18, 2018

I think there is some sort of ammo that has an insulated electrode where the primer is normally located. It’s a large caliber used in some belt fed mini gun. I’ve seen it but cant recall where.

In general, I think it comes down to reliability. Surely there are dozens of ways to make something go bang but in the heat of battle you want the absolutely fewest moving parts and the most robust components. Buttons, batteries and circuits are just more components that can fail at the wrong time.

pbharvey · Dec 18, 2018

I would like an RPG mounted on my bumper and wired to the horn of my truck.
Today would have been an especially fantastic day for that.

Tungsten · Dec 18, 2018

cokebuck said:
Shoot by wire ???

That's not dangerous at all......

I was thinking a button with a physical linkage to the sear/hammer, not electrical actuation.

What got me started pondering this issue was watching a video on proper trigger pull which involved placement of the finger on the trigger, sympathetic squeezing of the gun with the other fingers (it was a pistol video), and smoothly pulling it back without inducing yaw in the POA.

So after watching that, I just thought why in the hell do we use a mechanical device that requires so much practice to actuate correctly? Is there a simpler mechanism that we should be using instead? I figured a rifle would probably be an easier place to start as opposed to a handgun.

Mike3888 · Dec 18, 2018

pbharvey said:
I would like an RPG mounted on my bumper and wired to the horn of my truck.
Today would have been an especially fantastic day for that.

Thought about a golf ball cannon for all the mopeds/ scooters that by pass cars at red lights.

pop-gunner · Dec 18, 2018

I own a Winchester Thumbtrigger.
Is something like that what you had in mind?

lowoncash · Dec 18, 2018

pop-gunner said:
I own a Winchester Thumbtrigger.
Is something like that what you had in mind?

I have a breech loading, single shot, thumb trigger .22 that is not a Winchester. The instinctive way to load and close the breech causes the thumb trigger to be depressed and the rifle ‘fires’. Everyone handling the rifle does the same. It take concentration and attention to manipulate the breech safely. I have never put live ammo in this rifle. Yet.
The change from something familiar could have a deadly learning curve.

Tungsten · Dec 18, 2018

pop-gunner said:
I own a Winchester Thumbtrigger.
Is something like that what you had in mind?

That is definitely a possibility and on the right track, but it still looks like a lever to me and I'm not sure the placement is ideal. My initial thought was an actual button like on a F-16 yoke.

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Dec 18, 2018

Remington had an electronic rifle not too many years ago called the Etron-X. It had an electronic trigger and primer ignition and required special ammunition. That no one remembers it now speaks volumes on its impact in the market.

-Z/28- · Dec 18, 2018

Just to drop a little mind blown moment on the party...

A 1911 trigger is a button.

It's a button you depress, not a lever.

Boom.

(Mic drop, walks away....)

geda · Dec 18, 2018

I am really liking the concept of the electra muzzle loader. I have had several muzzle loader hang/no fires with deer in front of me. With electric ignition you could in theory just keep trying to fire back to back without any body movement. Only one on gun broker sigh. Should be pretty easy to retrofit by modifying a breach plug though.

smokey · Dec 18, 2018

https://vimeo.com/69018779
This was a cool show. In this specific episode, the shops guy made a black powder dueling pistol that had a remote switch you operate with the other hand.

teratos · Dec 19, 2018

cokebuck said:
Shoot by wire ???

That's not dangerous at all......

M134 Minigun

Threeband · Dec 19, 2018

TheOriginalMexicanBob said:
Remington had an electronic rifle not too many years ago called the Etron-X. It had an electronic trigger and primer ignition and required special ammunition. That no one remembers it now speaks volumes on its impact in the market.

There is an article in my 1966 Gun Digest about a French shotgun which used electronic ignition for very fast lock time. The ammunition used special primers, and the battery was stored in the buttstock.

The writer found that ignition became sluggish in very cold weather, and the gun fell on the ground and refused to fire at all when a party of German hunters strolled nearby.

K31 · Dec 19, 2018

I saw a article about a muzzleloader that had electric ignition. It was a bench rest rifle. I think they wanted to isolate it from all body movement that might effect accuracy.

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