16.5” handguard with 16” barrel

outrider58 · Nov 21, 2020

Ammo Jon said:
Any suggestions on barrels that meet the criteria? I’m sure there’s not many short HBAR barrels that I have millions of choices. I’ll pick the handguard based on barrel/muzzle device length.

With everyone panicking I feel under gunned. I think 1 more will do it.

Not a lot of 13" hbars out there.

Ammo Jon · Nov 21, 2020

outrider58 said:
Not a lot of 13" hbars out there.

I figure between all the Einstein’s on this forum Id get some guidance.

engineerbrian · Nov 21, 2020

I like that look too and did something similar to my SBR. Honestly though, it all started because i ordered the wrong hand guard.

I ended up shimming the muzzle device out to get the break past the hand guard and put a hand stop on the end. I love this set up, its a fireball shooter with the right ammo

IX-3 · Nov 21, 2020

Ammo Jon said:
Since this will be a rifle the 11.5” would need to be an HBAR, no?

I still need to find a pretty upper. No blems for this boy. I like my safe queens to look good

Yes, it would.

Brownells has a Colt 11.5" Heavy barrel in stock. Unfortunately, it's pretty expensive but it's an option.

Geissele offers an 11.5" Heavy barrel but I can't find it in stock anywhere currently.

3paul10 · Nov 21, 2020

IX-3 said:
Yes, it would.

Brownells has a Colt 11.5" Heavy barrel in stock. Unfortunately, it's pretty expensive but it's an option.

Geissele offers an 11.5" Heavy barrel but I can't find it in stock anywhere currently.

AJ....if youre building an AR pistol (less than 16 inches with a brace) it doesn't need to be an HBAR...that's only for rifles.....haven't I taught you anything????

outrider58 · Nov 21, 2020

3paul10 said:
AJ....if youre building an AR pistol (less than 16 inches with a brace) it doesn't need to be an HBAR...that's only for rifles.....haven't I taught you anything????

He is building a rifle. At least he was at the beginning of this thread... :shrug:

John from MD · Nov 21, 2020

Ammo Jon said:
I’m putting the pieces together for another AR build and I have a certain look in mind. Thinking a Noveske Flaming Pig would give me the look while not risking damaging the handguard with a traditional A2 flash hider?

I have the same thing on my 300 BO and it works great.

The only issue I have with new builds and open handguards is gas hitting my hand during early shooting until carbon fills in the gaps at the gas block. It feels like an electric shock. :eek:

3paul10 · Nov 21, 2020

Ammo Jon said:
Since this will be a rifle the 11.5” would need to be an HBAR, no?

I still need to find a pretty upper. No blems for this boy. I like my safe queens to look good

Well, Einstein, 11.5 rifles requires a longgg pinned muzzle device.... :party29:

erwos · Nov 21, 2020

I've used the Presma handguard on my competition PCC build. It's not gonna set the world on fire, but it works well enough. Really, the biggest problem with the cheap handguards is that they're not dehorned very much, and can be somewhat uncomfortable without gloves. The Presma was fine in this regard. I vaguely recall the Combat Armory handguard being more of a problem.

Squaregrouper · Nov 21, 2020

Ammo Jon said:
Seems similar but cheaper. This handguard is almost too cheap, makes me wonder if absolute garbage?

https://monstrumtactical.com/ar-15-m-lok-rail-handguard-16-inch-free-float-series-b/

erwos said:
I've used the Presma handguard on my competition PCC build. It's not gonna set the world on fire, but it works well enough. Really, the biggest problem with the cheap handguards is that they're not dehorned very much, and can be somewhat uncomfortable without gloves. The Presma was fine in this regard. I vaguely recall the Combat Armory handguard being more of a problem.

Erwos hit the nail on the head.
Jon, I have a Monstrum handguard you can fondle and understand the sharp edges. I have been tempted to take a Dremel to edges and then painting the handguard.

outrider58 · Nov 21, 2020

3paul10 said:
Well, Einstein, 11.5 rifles requires a longgg pinned muzzle device....

It appears so. Things have gone a little a-skew since I climbed from my roost.
He'll probably need one of these...

https://retrorifles.com/moderator-flash-hiders-car-15-xm177e1-xm177e2-colt-commando-1963-1974/

outrider58 · Nov 21, 2020

erwos said:
I've used the Presma handguard on my competition PCC build. It's not gonna set the world on fire, but it works well enough. Really, the biggest problem with the cheap handguards is that they're not dehorned very much, and can be somewhat uncomfortable without gloves. The Presma was fine in this regard. I vaguely recall the Combat Armory handguard being more of a problem.

squaregrouper said:
Erwos hit the nail on the head.
Jon, I have a Monstrum handguard you can fondle and understand the sharp edges. I have been tempted to take a Dremel to edges and then painting the handguard.

C'mon fellas. What's to de-horn? You throw a rubber ladder on the top rail (I do this even on my de-horned rails) and you won't hurt your fingers.

3paul10 · Nov 21, 2020

I think Ammo Jon is getting this thread mixed up with his on-line dating/tinder thread....

John from MD · Nov 21, 2020

I have made several builds using parts from this company. I never had a bad experience, no stripped hardware, anodizing is even.

https://www.ohhunt.com/

erwos · Nov 21, 2020

outrider58 said:
C'mon fellas. What's to de-horn? You throw a rubber ladder on the top rail (I do this even on my de-horned rails) and you won't hurt your fingers.

The thing you need to dehorn are the HOLES, not the top rail. The top rail, as noted, can be solved with a rubber ladder cover for the most part. But the edges of those holes can be sharp. Ditto for the front edge of the handguard.

Ammo Jon · Nov 21, 2020

That KAK website isn’t the most user friendly. Looks at first glance that the longest they make is 5”. With a 11.5” barrel I’ll be clear of 16” requirement and fit within a 16.5” handguard.

Probably better to go with a longer barrel and shorter muzzle device for accuracy/velocity.

calicojack · Nov 22, 2020

The Noveske Flaming Pig is WAAAAAY better than the KAK flash can. I have used both.

Ammo Jon · Nov 22, 2020

calicojack said:
The Noveske Flaming Pig is WAAAAAY better than the KAK flash can. I have used both.

Waaaay better how? I don’t mind paying more but need “dets”

calicojack · Nov 22, 2020

Ammo Jon said:
Since this will be a rifle the 11.5” would need to be an HBAR, no?

I still need to find a pretty upper. No blems for this boy. I like my safe queens to look good

Or you could SBR it and then it does not have to be HBAR. Eform 1 takes 30 days to get approved.

calicojack · Nov 22, 2020

Ammo Jon said:
Waaaay better how? I don’t mind paying more but need “dets”

The KAK is aluminum - the Noveske is steel. The Noveske actually works. It has a conical insert. The KAK is more for looks, IMHO.

[EDIT] Although looks is a valid reason to buy a KAK.

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