Hypothetical: How much would you pay for a MD Carry Permit
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tkd4life
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Someone is paying the cost for the voter registration card process.
We may not want to know how much that is costing us!
So this discussion brings up a really good point. The SCOTUS found that poll taxes were unconstitutional as they violated the equal protection clause (poor people couldn't vote).
With that being said, why hasn't the HQL and all of the other "fees" that I have to pay to practice my 2nd amendment right been challenged under the same legal argument?
Or are we just saying as a society that we don't want poor people having the right to buy guns?
Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966). A state may not charge citizens for the exercise of their rights.
“That the power of taxing it by the States may be exercised so as to destroy it, is too obvious to be denied” - McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316 (1819)
Really not that hard to tie the Supreme Court's previous ruling together on similar issues. Simply put: a state may not tax the exercise of rights because to allow such behavior enables the state to effectively destroy said rights. At best, it ensures the exercise of rights becomes discriminatory based upon wealth, in violation of the 14th Amendment.
“That the power of taxing it by the States may be exercised so as to destroy it, is too obvious to be denied” - McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316 (1819)
Really not that hard to tie the Supreme Court's previous ruling together on similar issues. Simply put: a state may not tax the exercise of rights because to allow such behavior enables the state to effectively destroy said rights. At best, it ensures the exercise of rights becomes discriminatory based upon wealth, in violation of the 14th Amendment.
dist1646
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Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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As frequently happens , this thread is interchangably cross discussing two different things
The question of much * should * cost is either " nothing, the Constitution MoFo ! " , or the cost of a NICS , plus a card printer , +/- s20 .
The other scenario accepts the existence of an unconstitutional, arbitrary scheme , that won't change anytime soon. Imagine this looks like a recreation of 1970s NYC , and you discover than an imaginary analogue of a 1970s NYPD Lt lets be known that for a suitable bribe , your unrestricted Permit approved , with most likely uneventful renewals unless you get stupid . Further assume the culture of bribery is well oiled enough that you can be assured of good customer service from the bribed , and essentially zero chance of being cought for bribery , or otherwise jammed up . Without a bribe , chance of Permit not far from zero .
Under those parameters , do you decide it is more noble for yourself and your family to be defenseless, than to pay bribe ?
Do you grudgingly do what it takes ?
Up to how much $$ ?
The question of much * should * cost is either " nothing, the Constitution MoFo ! " , or the cost of a NICS , plus a card printer , +/- s20 .
The other scenario accepts the existence of an unconstitutional, arbitrary scheme , that won't change anytime soon. Imagine this looks like a recreation of 1970s NYC , and you discover than an imaginary analogue of a 1970s NYPD Lt lets be known that for a suitable bribe , your unrestricted Permit approved , with most likely uneventful renewals unless you get stupid . Further assume the culture of bribery is well oiled enough that you can be assured of good customer service from the bribed , and essentially zero chance of being cought for bribery , or otherwise jammed up . Without a bribe , chance of Permit not far from zero .
Under those parameters , do you decide it is more noble for yourself and your family to be defenseless, than to pay bribe ?
Do you grudgingly do what it takes ?
Up to how much $$ ?
I wouldn't pay more than $50 for a 5yr permit. Knowing MD ,they might consider the fee structure of this poll. But, like the old saying goes, " now that we agreed what the arrangement is,all that's left is the terms". Am annual permit would be a joke! Like PA car inspections. Demanding more than a driver's license renewal is more ridiculous.
Makanik
Active Member
I would allow $100 a year unrestricted to give me the right I should have for free.
- Nov 11, 2009
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I don't like it, but I'd pay for it. 25-50 cents a day is cheap insurance.
I bet things would break loose if the politicians had to pay out of pocket for their armed security. Of course, if they were honorable, ethical men and women, they wouldn't need it in the first place.
I bet things would break loose if the politicians had to pay out of pocket for their armed security. Of course, if they were honorable, ethical men and women, they wouldn't need it in the first place.
psycosteve
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The only way we become a shall issue state is to either have it federally mandated con carry or we reintroduce the rope to the GA. Stretch a few of them out and it might change their minds. Until then only the privileged few are going to be able to carry in this state.
pcfixer
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Any money paid to this state for a constitutional right that's endowed by our creator would be extortion. The progressive liberals are no different now that the Red Coat British Army during American Revolution. TYRANTS.
Can I get an Amen?
Does anyone know when the last permit holder shot their pistol out in public for self defense?
Fredcohunter
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I would pay a fee. Probably up to $500 a year or so. I wouldn't like it as it would be just another money grab but I would pay it.
There should be no fee however if shall issue ever becomes reality in MD there will surely be a money grab associated with it.........
There should be no fee however if shall issue ever becomes reality in MD there will surely be a money grab associated with it.........
Wow, it's only $20 for five years in PA? That's more like it.
People once said that about health insurance.
Now, they are paying close to or over $2000 per month, since the government got involved.
I would not know that answer , and even so the MSP would most likely not want that out .
Then my other answer is i hope never , to be honest . Just like i don't want to test out my air-bags in my SUV .
Well I cannot even remember hearing on the news someone using as pistol for self defense in the state. Ever actually.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
It is expensive now for Restricted Permit.
MD Permit overall cost when you include fuel, training, range time, fingerprints, and the fees approaches $400 for a 2 year initial permit.
I'm sure it can be cheaper depending on the trainer and fingerprint fees, but it's still expensive.
MD Permit overall cost when you include fuel, training, range time, fingerprints, and the fees approaches $400 for a 2 year initial permit.
I'm sure it can be cheaper depending on the trainer and fingerprint fees, but it's still expensive.
My/Our original 4 company permits cost a couple to 3 thousand dollars to get issued with training and bells and whistles .
To be honest i did not know anything about the process and was walked thru every step as well as filling out forms .
I paid more then we should have but that is water under the bridge .
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