Does SBR need barrel <16" to be MD legal?

ericoak · Jul 29, 2016

I'd like an FAL or G3 that would be MD legal but not big fan of short barrel .308s. If you have an approved Form 1 does the barrel actually have to be installed to count as an SBR in MD?

Maybe I'll just have to do 15.9".

Pinecone · Jul 30, 2016

I would say yes. As according to BATFE is you have an SBR and put a 16" or longer barrel on it, it is not longer an SBR.

No Form 20 for going out of state once you put 16" or longer on it.

kalister1 · Jul 30, 2016

15.9" barrel and don't pin and weld the flash hider.

hogarth · Jul 30, 2016

Won't it also have to be on the handgun roster?

teratos · Jul 30, 2016

This is probably about the dumbest thread I have ever read.

That is a reflection on the MD laws, not the OP or any other poster. I want a particular gun, so I'm going to have to have the barrel cut to 15.9" so it will be an NFA item. Meanwhile asshats like Frosh sit smugly in Annapolis believing the crap the spew.

DZ · Jul 30, 2016

teratos said:
This is probably about the dumbest thread I have ever read.

That is a reflection on the MD laws, not the OP or any other poster. I want a particular gun, so I'm going to have to have the barrel cut to 15.9" so it will be an NFA item. Meanwhile asshats like Frosh sit smugly in Annapolis believing the crap the spew.

Exactly. It is a crying shame that this should even be considered. I have often wondered the same question as the OP.

outrider58 · Jul 30, 2016

ericoak said:
I'd like an FAL or G3 that would be MD legal but not big fan of short barrel .308s. If you have an approved Form 1 does the barrel actually have to be installed to count as an SBR in MD?

Maybe I'll just have to do 15.9".

I would do that.^^^

Biggfoot44 · Jul 30, 2016

In America , an SBR involves bbl less than 16in OR oal less than 26in. So you could make an SBR with an over 16in bbl.

But in Md , at least for centerfire semiauto, you have the 29in minimum, leaving less than 16in bbl as only route.

Note that 15.9 is less than 16 .

swinokur · Jul 30, 2016

SBR's no longer have to be on the Handgun Roster.

ericoak · Jul 30, 2016

I'm out of state so I can buy whatever I want handgun wise, roster isn't a problem. But for now I try to get guns that I could move back with if I ever wanted to.

TheDevilHimself · Jul 30, 2016

ericoak said:
I'd like an FAL or G3 that would be MD legal but not big fan of short barrel .308s. If you have an approved Form 1 does the barrel actually have to be installed to count as an SBR in MD?

Maybe I'll just have to do 15.9".

When in MD, if the barrel is 16" or greater, then you would simply be in possession of a banned assault long gun that you did not lawfully possess prior to October 1, 2013.

ericoak · Jul 30, 2016

TheDevilHimself said:
When in MD, if the barrel is 16" or greater, then you would simply be in possession of a banned assault long gun that you did not lawfully possess prior to October 1, 2013.

Is it that cut and dry. I remember pre 2013, if you bought a regulated AR-15, you couldn't just slap an HBAR upper on it and sell it as cash and carry because it was already in the MSP system, which overrode the HBAR configuration.

pwoolford · Jul 30, 2016

Might be time to write some letters to MSP and the BATF!

TheDevilHimself · Jul 30, 2016

ericoak said:
Is it that cut and dry. I remember pre 2013, if you bought a regulated AR-15, you couldn't just slap an HBAR upper on it and sell it as cash and carry because it was already in the MSP system, which overrode the HBAR configuration.

In this instance, once you put a barrel 16" or greater on a registered SBR, it ceases to be a SBR. In most of the rest of the country, that's not an issue. In MD, the FSA 2013 explicitly banned a list of enumerated weapons- and made it illegal to possess those weapons in the state of MD; the only exemption to this is if the weapon was lawfully owned prior to OCT 1 2013.

If a Georgia resident purchased a FAL in September 2013 and a G3 in November of 2013, then moved to MD, the FAL could be brought to MD, while the G3 could not. The owner would be required to "voluntarily register" the firearms with MSP within 30 days of moving into the state. (It may be 60 or 90 days, I'd have to check COMAR)

Changing a SBR into a banned long gun, while in MD, would constitute a violation- punishable by a term that would render one prihibited from possessing firearms, upon conviction.

swinokur · Jul 30, 2016

it's 90 days Vince.

ericoak · Jul 30, 2016

TheDevilHimself said:
In this instance, once you put a barrel 16" or greater on a registered SBR, it ceases to be a SBR. In most of the rest of the country, that's not an issue. In MD, the FSA 2013 explicitly banned a list of enumerated weapons- and made it illegal to possess those weapons in the state of MD; the only exemption to this is if the weapon was lawfully owned prior to OCT 1 2013.

If a Georgia resident purchased a FAL in September 2013 and a G3 in November of 2013, then moved to MD, the FAL could be brought to MD, while the G3 could not. The owner would be required to "voluntarily register" the firearms with MSP within 30 days of moving into the state. (It may be 60 or 90 days, I'd have to check COMAR)

Changing a SBR into a banned long gun, while in MD, would constitute a violation- punishable by a term that would render one prihibited from possessing firearms, upon conviction.

Can you sell a lower that has been SBRed with an HBAR 16" barrel cash and carry to someone else or does it have to be removed from the registry first? I know there is process to remove it from the registry, but if the lower is still in the registry is it legal to sell with a barrel over 16"? That would be the true test of whether a firearm with a barrel over 16" is an SBR, or whether it truly ceases to exist as an NFA item once the long barrel goes on it.

Pinecone · Aug 1, 2016

teratos said:
This is probably about the dumbest thread I have ever read.

That is a reflection on the MD laws, not the OP or any other poster. I want a particular gun, so I'm going to have to have the barrel cut to 15.9" so it will be an NFA item. Meanwhile asshats like Frosh sit smugly in Annapolis believing the crap the spew.

As long as it is at least 29" long.

So an SBR Steyr AUG or TAVOR will still not work.

REALLY wished I did a purchase order for an AUG before 10/1/13.

Pinecone · Aug 1, 2016

ericoak said:
Is it that cut and dry. I remember pre 2013, if you bought a regulated AR-15, you couldn't just slap an HBAR upper on it and sell it as cash and carry because it was already in the MSP system, which overrode the HBAR configuration.

Because according to BATFE if you put a 16" or longer barrel on an SBR, it is NOT an SBR.

So then it would be a banned assault weapon in the eyes of MD.

Pinecone · Aug 1, 2016

TheDevilHimself said:
he owner would be required to "voluntarily register" the firearms with MSP within 30 days of moving into the state. (It may be 60 or 90 days, I'd have to check COMAR)

Within 90 days of establishing residency. Which is not necessarily the same as when you move here.

ericoak · Aug 1, 2016

Pinecone said:
Because according to BATFE if you put a 16" or longer barrel on an SBR, it is NOT an SBR.

So then it would be a banned assault weapon in the eyes of MD.

Can you sell an SBR receiver with a 16" as a Title 1 weapon even if it is registered as an SBR? That is a better test than whether you can bring it across state lines in a non regulated configuration.

Does SBR need barrel <16" to be MD legal?

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