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Old May 23rd, 2020, 11:23 AM #31
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Ours was Bent elbow (retention) at 1.5 yards.
then 3,7,15 and 25. Nothing like feeling like your eyebrows melting off at 1.5

60 rounds. 300 points. 255 minimum passing.
Barricade at 15 and 25. I always shot left hand from left hand barricade. I sucked at leaning over into it with my right.
I never understood the 25 yard. No need to get into a shootout at 25. Especially when you and the threat most likely are moving.
We're 60 rounds/ 300 points. Barricades at 25 yards. I think 15 yards is where we shoot while kneeling. It explains the ceiling impacts down range. We have one stage fairly early on (might be at the 7) where we shoot one handed. I always give away a few points there.
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Old May 23rd, 2020, 11:36 AM #32
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We're 60 rounds/ 300 points. Barricades at 25 yards. I think 15 yards is where we shoot while kneeling. It explains the ceiling impacts down range. We have one stage fairly early on (might be at the 7) where we shoot one handed. I always give away a few points there.
And how about this. We're not carrying revolvers anymore. So let's do away with the "load magazines to 6 rounds". Adapt a qual to magazine standards nowadays.
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Old May 23rd, 2020, 12:08 PM #33
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I am sure some people are confused about how far they actually shoot, but most ranges are shot at known distances. What you seem to be missing is that the targets are sized for a known distance. The farther away the target is sized for, the larger the target. The target you posted is a 50 ft target and would normally be shot at 50 ft. Shooting them closer than that distance would make it easier, while shooting them farther away would make it harder. If you want to shoot at 25 yards get a different target designed for that distance.
I have noticed at times I get a better group with a silhouette or rifle targets than I do with a bullseye target on the same day. Maybe I need to switch to smaller targets to help with the "aim small, miss small" idea.

In my head I want a ~2-3" group at hallway distances. I have also tried using rifle targets with 1" square bullseye.

BTW this would be close to my best at 25 feet but I only achieve it something similar 15-20% of the time. Usually I have a good group with a couple flyers and the group having vertical or horizontal stringing.
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Yup. Back in the day, 40 rods was a standard range for rifle competition.

Then the damn commies replaced it with 200 meter matches.
I getcha. Damn Euros can't count to twelve.


Furlong=220 yards or 201.16 Meters so they're cheating you out of 1.168 meters.
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Old May 23rd, 2020, 12:10 PM #35
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Since no one actually answered the OPs question, I will.

Yes, you need to practice at 25 yards. Or longer. At 25 feet, or about 8 yards, slow shooting with my competition guns, that group would have me pissed at how poorly I'm shooting. I expect a near 1-ragged-hole group at that distance.

My 22 pistol will be the same at 25 yards. Offhand with my cz shadow or tactical sport in 9mm or .40, a 25 yard group might look closer to yours.

I think the answer was in the sarcasm. No. Most of us DO know the difference.
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Yup. 40 rods to the furlong, which is damn near 200 meters.
The difference is barely more than an ell, as you noted.




The French revolutionaries gave us the metric system and the Bolsheviks.
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I have noticed at times I get a better group with a silhouette or rifle targets than I do with a bullseye target on the same day. Maybe I need to switch to smaller targets to help with the "aim small, miss small" idea.

In my head I want a ~2-3" group at hallway distances. I have also tried using rifle targets with 1" square bullseye.

BTW this would be close to my best at 25 feet but I only achieve it something similar 15-20% of the time. Usually I have a good group with a couple flyers and the group having vertical or horizontal stringing.
Are you referring to the score you get or the actual group size? The scoring rings change between targets. For example the NRA 50 ft pistol slow fire target colors the 7 ring black and is ~3 in in size, while the NRA 50 ft pistol timed and rapid fire target, which you posted, has only the 9 and 10 rings black, but the 9 ring is ~3 in size. The same group size will give you two different scores depending on the target. You should theoretically get the same group size regardless of the target.
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Are you referring to the score you get or the actual group size? The scoring rings change between targets.
I'm only worried about group size. I don't think I have ever scored any of my targets. I figure if I can consistently achieve 2-3" group then I can move on to different types of training, but if I have no inherent accuracy then what is the point of adding in dynamic techniques?

I think I am now at that level or damn close so I need to start signing up for training this year.

I have also used 4 different pistols, but have finally settled on one going forward. Maybe that will help with consistency as well.
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I don't think it's all that common to confuse feet with yards, but I do think a lot of shooters have rifles zeroed at something other than 100 yards true. Lots of 95-99yd and 101-105yd zeros I'm sure. Does this matter? Not really for most people since Maryland doesn't have any longer ranges that I know of that are open more than a day or two a week. Quantico is the only nice long range in the area I've heard of aside from private farm land.
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Yup. 40 rods to the furlong, which is damn near 200 meters.
The difference is barely more than an ell, as you noted.

The French revolutionaries gave us the metric system and the Bolsheviks.
What about the attoparsec (6519.4), beard-second (4e10) , or smoot (118.2) ?
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