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Hawkeye · Sep 28, 2018

Also, you can certainly email the form to ATF if you want to. MSI even included an email address to send it to in their most recent communication.

1ceman · Sep 28, 2018

It's not too late....There is still a possibility to mail on Saturday...and could pay $27 to overnight it.

Sundazes · Sep 28, 2018

1ceman said:
It's not too late....There is still a possibility to mail on Saturday...and could pay $27 to overnight it.

Its has to be sent by 1 Oct not received...

Abulg1972 · Sep 28, 2018

1ceman said:
It's not too late....There is still a possibility to mail on Saturday...and could pay $27 to overnight it.

You don’t need to overnight it. You just need to mail it by 9/30/2018. I mailed mine today by certified mail, RRR. If you can prove that you “applied” before 10/1/2018, you are good.

platoonDaddy · Sep 28, 2018

Abulg1972 said:
You don’t need to overnight it. You just need to mail it by 9/30/2018. I mailed mine today by certified mail, RRR. If you can prove that you “applied” before 10/1/2018, you are good.

I emailed mine, much easier than mailing, at least for me.

Abulg1972 · Sep 28, 2018

platoonDaddy said:
I emailed mine, much easier than mailing, at least for me.

As long as the BATFE has a documented means of “submitting” things, I don’t think it matters how you send it. Especially because BATFE doesn’t regulate devices constructed so that, when installed on or attached to a firearm, increases FIREPOWER.

Not_an_outlaw · Sep 28, 2018

For the Calvert COunty folks, there is an article in the paper where Deb Rey asked people to submit an application to the BATF. Her opponent and some quotes from Moon are in there. Her opponent, Crosby doesn't seem to understand.

Abulg1972 · Sep 28, 2018

When I was 14, I answered a job ad in the Pennysaver. I eventually signed up for gainful “employment.” Each Saturday, a middle-aged creeper in a conversion van (rear heart window) would pick me up and then we would drive to the Evans family apartments in the D.C. suburbs to ask people to subscribe to the Washington Times. We’re talking 1986. At that time, most people were not interested (that’s an understatement) in having a conversation with “a Moonie”. At 14, I was chased out of more places than I care to admit. Most Saturdays, I just hung out in the stairwell of each apartment building.

Stoveman · Sep 28, 2018

Not_an_outlaw said:
For the Calvert COunty folks, there is an article in the paper where Deb Rey asked people to submit an application to the BATF. Her opponent and some quotes from Moon are in there. Her opponent, Crosby doesn't seem to understand.

Abulg1972 said:
When I was 14, I answered a job ad in the Pennysaver. I eventually signed up for gainful “employment.” Each Saturday, a middle-aged creeper in a conversion van (rear heart window) would pick me up and then we would drive to the Evans family apartments in the D.C. suburbs to ask people to subscribe to the Washington Times. We’re talking 1986. At that time, most people were not interested (that’s an understatement) in having a conversation with “a Moonie”. At 14, I was chased out of more places than I care to admit. Most Saturdays, I just hung out in the stairwell of each apartment building.

dreadpirate · Sep 28, 2018

Abulg1972 said:
You don’t need to overnight it. You just need to mail it by 9/30/2018. I mailed mine today by certified mail, RRR. If you can prove that you “applied” before 10/1/2018, you are good.

Which means you can even go to the post office tomorrow and mail it.

[EDIT] Does not need to be overnight; just First Class. Can get there whenever.

CypherPunk · Sep 29, 2018

I don’t recommend emailing.

The US Mail provides important legal protections.

I would NOT send it first class, without adding the certified mail option to prove delivery.

A return receipt (additional expense) is optional, but not necessary.

PowPow · Sep 29, 2018

CypherPunk said:
A return receipt (additional expense) is optional, but not necessary.

My form was delivered on 9/24. I still haven't gotten the return receipt and its tracking hasn't updated.

September 17, 2018, 3:10 pm
Return Receipt Associated
The U.S. Postal Service has received electronic notification on September 17, 2018 at 3:10 pm that you have associated a return receipt to your item.

Hawkeye · Sep 29, 2018

CypherPunk said:
I don’t recommend emailing.

The US Mail provides important legal protections.

What legal protections, specifically, are offered by the US mail in this case?

When you email the ATF, you have timestamped proof that you sent the application to them, and they give you an immediate "we received your email and are forwarding it to the proper people" response. When you get that you have confirmation of the delivery of your application to ATF, just like you would had you used snail mail.

In this case, I don't see any specific benefit or protection that you would get from doing this on paper.

j_h_smith · Sep 29, 2018

I think I'm going to email my letter as well.

It can't hurt.

dreadpirate · Sep 29, 2018

CypherPunk said:
I don’t recommend emailing.

The US Mail provides important legal protections.

I would NOT send it first class, without adding the certified mail option to prove delivery.

A return receipt (additional expense) is optional, but not necessary.

Just to be clear - I did exactly as MSI recommended and used certified mail with return receipt (little green card mailed back to me). Thanks for pointing that out.

j_h_smith · Sep 29, 2018

CypherPunk said:
I don’t recommend emailing.

The US Mail provides important legal protections.

I would NOT send it first class, without adding the certified mail option to prove delivery.

A return receipt (additional expense) is optional, but not necessary.

Not to be confrontational, but what legal protections does the US Mail provide? If I mail payment for a bill and the US Post Office loses my payment, what recourse do I have?

j_h_smith · Sep 29, 2018

I just sent my application to them via an email. I also cc'd myself. Within 2 minutes, I received a receipt from them that my email has been received. So, now I have my USPS application with receipt AND an emailed application with receipt. I believe this is all I can do to ensure my application has arrived and received by their system.

I don't see a down side to emailing the application, particularly for those who won't have time to make it to the post office today.

JohnnyE · Sep 29, 2018

j_h_smith said:
Not to be confrontational, but what legal protections does the US Mail provide? If I mail payment for a bill and the US Post Office loses my payment, what recourse do I have?

A large body of law, going back centuries, has evolved around mailed correspondence. You may wish to google "the mailbox rule" for a discussion.

The postal service is a recognized method of offering and accepting contracts and creating other legal relationships, and official communication. For instance, either the date of a letter's postmark or the date the letter was received will matter depending on what the envelope contains. Mailing something via the USPS brings all of this precedence in to play. Using certified and even the return receipt card service offers more protections. Arguing about whether you or your uncle Bill drove by to drop something off, on the other hand...not so much.

boothdoc · Sep 29, 2018

Johnny E;
I know for a fact that email time stamping is a legally acceptable way of communicating and proven so in court rulings.
It doesn’t go back centuries of course but I also don’t need to sign with a quil for it be legally signed.

CypherPunk · Sep 29, 2018

You guys would complain if Frosh raped you with non-organic lube.

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