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  • I am not saying I agree with the decisions obviously, but does it seem to anyone else like the state/defense had a substantial amount of evidence to support their opinions more so than the plaintiffs? I'm still reading now, 40ish pages so far, but the plaintiffs appeared to only have a couple arguments to support their side.

    And yes, their arguments were supported by common sense, but since common sense doesn't really win the day anymore, it seems like a lot more supporting evidence would have done better than the 2A violation and "large-cap mags for home defense".
     

    fightinbluhen51

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    I am not saying I agree with the decisions obviously, but does it seem to anyone else like the state/defense had a substantial amount of evidence to support their opinions more so than the plaintiffs? I'm still reading now, 40ish pages so far, but the plaintiffs appeared to only have a couple arguments to support their side.

    And yes, their arguments were supported by common sense, but since common sense doesn't really win the day anymore, it seems like a lot more supporting evidence would have done better than the 2A violation and "large-cap mags for home defense".

    When you have judiciary members that will ask openly in court "how many terror attacks have Federal Law Enforcement really stopped?" does it much matter what else they opine in their opinions?

    Ignorance knows, no bounds.
     

    Jaybeez

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    The majority opinion is weak. Really weak. Several falsehoods and outright misstatements of facts.

    It seems bloomberg as the 8th richest man in the world can buy constitutional rights.

    I havent got to the dissent yet, im getting ready to head to crownsville to watch frosh get his proverbial teeth kicked in.
     

    Jaybeez

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    I am not saying I agree with the decisions obviously, but does it seem to anyone else like the state/defense had a substantial amount of evidence to support their opinions more so than the plaintiffs? I'm still reading now, 40ish pages so far, but the plaintiffs appeared to only have a couple arguments to support their side.

    And yes, their arguments were supported by common sense, but since common sense doesn't really win the day anymore, it seems like a lot more supporting evidence would have done better than the 2A violation and "large-cap mags for home defense".

    Our side had evidence too. The opinion doesnt cite them because it undermines their arguments.
     

    teratos

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    The real question....will SCOTUS take it after not hearing NY and CT? MD will be trying for an all-out ban, I have no doubt.
     

    fightinbluhen51

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    The real question....will SCOTUS take it after not hearing NY and CT? MD will be trying for an all-out ban, I have no doubt.

    Did they even consider Caetano? (I haven't read it, couldn't stand it after reading the :bs: hyperplectic "black mamba" comment. Maybe these folks spent too much time with Milo).
     

    fightinbluhen51

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    ... is if it is even a good idea to take this up a notch.

    It's worth the shot; remember denial of cert is not denial of the case; wait a few years until Ginsey is a bit stiffer (than she already is), and maybe we have another justice in our favor. (Morbid, I'm aware; but if one has not been paying attention, there is an all out cultural / philosophical war on America ideals at all levels, from multiple fronts.).
     

    Abacab

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    I wouldn't count on a win at scotus with Anthony "California conservative" Kennedy still there
     

    PowPow

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    ... In support of its motion for summary judgment, the State proffered extensive uncontroverted evidence demonstrating that the assault weapons outlawed by the FSA are exceptionally lethal weapons of war. ...

    ...The difference between the fully automatic and semiautomatic versions of those firearms is slight. That is, the automatic firing of all the ammunition in a large-capacity thirty-round magazine takes about two seconds, whereas a semiautomatic rifle can empty the same magazine in as little as five seconds....

    What a load of horse crap. Sounds like Bloomberg wrote the decision.
     

    danb

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    Feb 24, 2013
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    wait wut?

    Are the banned assault weapons and large-capacity magazines “like” “M-16 rifles,” i.e., “weapons that are most useful in military service,” and thus outside the ambit of the Second Amendment? See 554 U.S. at 627. Appeal: 14-1945
    The answer to that dispositive and relatively easy inquiry is plainly in the affirmative.

    Isn't this a clear split with the 7th?

    I have not read the dissent, I am not done puking.
     

    Mark75H

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    ... In support of its motion for summary judgment, the State proffered extensive uncontroverted evidence demonstrating that the assault weapons outlawed by the FSA are exceptionally lethal weapons of war. ...

    ...The difference between the fully automatic and semiautomatic versions of those firearms is slight. That is, the automatic firing of all the ammunition in a large-capacity thirty-round magazine takes about two seconds, whereas a semiautomatic rifle can empty the same magazine in as little as five seconds....

    Clearly allows confiscation of all semiauto long guns.
     

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