Distinguishing what is an HBAR

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  • Pinecone

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    Feb 4, 2013
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    the barrel manufacturer needs to stamp or engrave it, or marketed as an Hbar. not you. So if it's that important to you make sure you save the paperwork. If anyone could stamp it then anyone could turn a government profile Barrel into an h-bar through the magic of laser engraving, which is obviously not the case

    MSP did not say this. They just said if the barrel is marked HBAR.

    Realize, the MSP guidance is quick and dirty. If it meets their stated requirements, it is an HBAR.

    If they were to haul you into court, it would be hard from them to make a case that a barrel with the same or larger dimensions than an actual Colt HBAR Match Sporter barrel is not an HBAR.
     

    danb

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    Feb 24, 2013
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    MSP did not say this. They just said if the barrel is marked HBAR.

    Realize, the MSP guidance is quick and dirty. If it meets their stated requirements, it is an HBAR.

    If they were to haul you into court, it would be hard from them to make a case that a barrel with the same or larger dimensions than an actual Colt HBAR Match Sporter barrel is not an HBAR.

    Maybe someone can post the MSP guidance, I could not find it.

    I can take any barrel and stamp it. Does not make it an HBAR.
     

    outrider58

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    Jul 29, 2014
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    MSP did not say this. They just said if the barrel is marked HBAR.

    Realize, the MSP guidance is quick and dirty. If it meets their stated requirements, it is an HBAR.

    If they were to haul you into court, it would be hard from them to make a case that a barrel with the same or larger dimensions than an actual Colt HBAR Match Sporter barrel is not an HBAR.

    You're coming around. :thumbsup:

    I can take any barrel and stamp it. Does not make it an HBAR.

    In as much as I want to believe no one is that stupid to try that, I'm sure they exist. The chances of being caught, I would think astronomical.
     

    pilotguy299

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    Sep 26, 2010
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    the barrel manufacturer needs to stamp or engrave it, or marketed as an Hbar. not you. So if it's that important to you make sure you save the paperwork. If anyone could stamp it then anyone could turn a government profile Barrel into an h-bar through the magic of laser engraving, which is obviously not the case

    Does it?

    when the Hbar nonsense due to FSA2013 first came out, I contacted RRA about their R3 upper and asked what they considered it to be. Their email said that they considered it to be a heavy barrel, but was not marked as such.

    so, what is it? Hbar or not?
     

    iH8DemLibz

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    Apr 1, 2013
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    I said this before.

    BUT, I have also asked if you wanted to be the test case. :)

    AND I would not try to pass off a light or medium profile bar as HBAR.

    There is no legal definition or list of specifications that delineate what an HBAR is or what an HBAR isn't. NONE!

    Therefore, a barrel manufacturer has the legal right to stamp/advertise ANY barrel of ANY shape and ANY configuration as HBAR. Why, you ask? Because the barrel manufacturer has no, carved in stone, list of specifications to guide them. And, as far as I know, guessing is still legal in the US of A.

    I've always stood by the premise that a barrel manufacturer can produce a super-lightweight pencil barrel and stamp it/advertise it as HBAR and be well within their legal right to do so. And they'd have the legal right to sell them. And we'd have the legal right to purchase them.

    Because the ONLY "Guidance" is that the barrel be stamped HBAR or be advertised as HBAR.

    Any lawyer worth their salt could win this case in court. Your, Honor. The incredibly vague Maryland law/guidance states the barrel had to be stamped or advertised as HBAR. My client bought a barrel that was stamped and advertised as HBAR. Case dismissed!!!
     

    outrider58

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    Jul 29, 2014
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    Was it advertised or listed as HBAR?

    If it was MSP says it is. If not then it isn’t

    If we had a listing of every time this has been said since 2013, it would be one long script in deed.

    How bout a sub-forum; WHAT IS AN H-BAR?

    J/K of course, but it would simplify things, especially when it comes to searches.
     

    Rab1515

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    Apr 29, 2014
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    There is no legal definition or list of specifications that delineate what an HBAR is or what an HBAR isn't. NONE!

    Therefore, a barrel manufacturer has the legal right to stamp/advertise ANY barrel of ANY shape and ANY configuration as HBAR. Why, you ask? Because the barrel manufacturer has no, carved in stone, list of specifications to guide them. And, as far as I know, guessing is still legal in the US of A.

    I've always stood by the premise that a barrel manufacturer can produce a super-lightweight pencil barrel and stamp it/advertise it as HBAR and be well within their legal right to do so. And they'd have the legal right to sell them. And we'd have the legal right to purchase them.

    Because the ONLY "Guidance" is that the barrel be stamped HBAR or be advertised as HBAR.

    Any lawyer worth their salt could win this case in court. Your, Honor. The incredibly vague Maryland law/guidance states the barrel had to be stamped or advertised as HBAR. My client bought a barrel that was stamped and advertised as HBAR. Case dismissed!!!

    I believe you are 100% right, but I wouldn't put it passed MSP to change the guidence during/after a case like that.
    Although I wonder who the manufacturer is on a barrel blank. . .
     

    outrider58

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    There is no legal definition or list of specifications that delineate what an HBAR is or what an HBAR isn't. NONE!

    Therefore, a barrel manufacturer has the legal right to stamp/advertise ANY barrel of ANY shape and ANY configuration as HBAR. Why, you ask? Because the barrel manufacturer has no, carved in stone, list of specifications to guide them. And, as far as I know, guessing is still legal in the US of A.

    I've always stood by the premise that a barrel manufacturer can produce a super-lightweight pencil barrel and stamp it/advertise it as HBAR and be well within their legal right to do so. And they'd have the legal right to sell them. And we'd have the legal right to purchase them.

    Because the ONLY "Guidance" is that the barrel be stamped HBAR or be advertised as HBAR.

    Any lawyer worth their salt could win this case in court. Your, Honor. The incredibly vague Maryland law/guidance states the barrel had to be stamped or advertised as HBAR. My client bought a barrel that was stamped and advertised as HBAR. Case dismissed!!!

    ...and I don't think there is anyone of consequence who would give two schnitz about it.
     

    iH8DemLibz

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    Apr 1, 2013
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    ...and I don't think there is anyone of consequence who would give two schnitz about it.

    There are times when Bill Gates kind of money would be nice to have.

    A barrel company dedicated to manufacturing and selling super-lightweight HBAR barrels.

    Each barrel would come with a redeemable certificate. It would cover the legal expenses incurred by any purchaser.

    And it would put this HBAR law/controversy to bed for once and for all.
     

    Doco Overboard

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    IMG_0274.JPG Next thing you know it will be is conspiracy to commit hiding or partially obscuring a HB while thinking about building a suppresive fire weapon with a bump fire attachment from an otherwise ordinary rifle that some other Orwellian bureaucrat put their stamp of approval on.:rolleyes:
     

    Pinecone

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    Feb 4, 2013
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    There is no legal definition or list of specifications that delineate what an HBAR is or what an HBAR isn't. NONE!

    Therefore, a barrel manufacturer has the legal right to stamp/advertise ANY barrel of ANY shape and ANY configuration as HBAR. Why, you ask? Because the barrel manufacturer has no, carved in stone, list of specifications to guide them. And, as far as I know, guessing is still legal in the US of A.

    I've always stood by the premise that a barrel manufacturer can produce a super-lightweight pencil barrel and stamp it/advertise it as HBAR and be well within their legal right to do so. And they'd have the legal right to sell them. And we'd have the legal right to purchase them.

    Because the ONLY "Guidance" is that the barrel be stamped HBAR or be advertised as HBAR.

    Any lawyer worth their salt could win this case in court. Your, Honor. The incredibly vague Maryland law/guidance states the barrel had to be stamped or advertised as HBAR. My client bought a barrel that was stamped and advertised as HBAR. Case dismissed!!!

    We are talking about a barrel that is not marked or advertised as HBAR, but has similar or larger dimensions than an actual Colt HBAR Match Sporter barrel. Could you be prosecuted for this? Yes. But it is likely you would be convicted. "Your honor here is the barrel in question, and here is an actual Colt HBAR, can you tell the difference?"

    MSP guidance is guidance. NOT the law.

    So an A1 government profile barrel that is stamped HBAR is not legally an HBAR. So you could be prosecuted and lose this case. "Your honor, here we have the barrel in question and an actual Colt HBAR. See how much thinner this barrel is. It is obvious that this is NOT an HBAR in accordance with the LAW."

    Now, you get a written AG opinion, and you will have a better leg to stand on.
     

    Pinecone

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    If we had a listing of every time this has been said since 2013, it would be one long script in deed.

    How bout a sub-forum; WHAT IS AN H-BAR?

    J/K of course, but it would simplify things, especially when it comes to searches.

    There could be a section of these sub forums.

    To include 10 round mags. :D
     

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