PROOF that Hogan won't help us

Im on board with the Jealous bad, Hogan less bad routine, i get it. Hogan is the better smelling shit sandwich.

I agree politics is local, but its undeniable that Hogan given his popularity and Szelgia along with the powers that be at MDGOP pull the purse strings. Maybe im missing it, but i cant see a candidate bucking the mainstream and getting the funding to win a primary. I think its important to get pro 2a candidates in the race, but its important to send the message to the state party leaders that the 2nd is a top priority. If we cant do that we're just pissing in the wind.

East2West said:

Maybe im missing it, but i cant see a candidate bucking the mainstream and getting the funding to win a primary.

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First of all, primaries are over. We are locked in for Nov now.

Second, resources in a primary, esp GOP are extremely limited. The only real criteria for primary funding is likelihood of success in Nov. I know its hard to believe, but often people who have won have the best insight into who is best positioned to win. People like to blame the establishment, or Hogan, or someone else, but the simple reality is that the voters themselves in MD are not on board with the message. These buck the mainstream candidates dont get elected in Nov. The few we had 5 years ago got redistricted out and did not get re-elected.

Stoveman said:

Let me help.

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danb said:

First of all, primaries are over. We are locked in for Nov now.

Second, resources in a primary, esp GOP are extremely limited. The only real criteria for primary funding is likelihood of success in Nov. I know its hard to believe, but often people who have won have the best insight into who is best positioned to win. People like to blame the establishment, or Hogan, or someone else, but the simple reality is that the voters themselves in MD are not on board with the message. These buck the mainstream candidates dont get elected in Nov. The few we had 5 years ago got redistricted out and did not get re-elected.

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Primaries are over? Who knew.

That's why i asked when and how we start trying to make the 2nd a more crucial issue to the GOP after Hogan v. Jealous.

You dont think funding plays any part in who wins the local races? The voters just naturally gravitate towards one candidate over the other?

PUKE!

Ok, stomach may get back to normal

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montoya32 said:

There needs to be NOTHING done, but a change in the way the SP interpret G&S. No law change, no massive press conference. Frosh will throw a hissy fit, but Frosh will have to bring a lawsuit and in the meantime, thousands will get their permits.

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The real problem is that the State Police are not here to “make” the laws, they are here to enforce and nothing more. Right now the police have the power to make and enforce laws on the spot, a proven path to abusing their power. They’ve been doing it for years,it isnot constitutionally sound.

East2West said:

Primaries are over? Who knew.

That's why i asked when and how we start trying to make the 2nd a more crucial issue to the GOP after Hogan v. Jealous.

You dont think funding plays any part in who wins the local races? The voters just naturally gravitate towards one candidate over the other?

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Its been proven time and again that the candidate with the biggest checkbook or name recognition does not always win. traitor Brochin just lost to someone I never heard of.

I strongly doubt voting habits will change much without an external push from the Supreme Court. When carry does actually come to MD, it will be a novelty ("hey you carry your own gun? "). After some time people will see the utility. But you really cannot make people like carrying around a 1.5lb hunk of steel that goes bang.

Between now and Nov, the only question people will have is whether one opposes or supports Jealous' disgusting tax plan.

Great job to the original poster for questioning our Governor on this extremely important topic. Those are the exact qualities that enabled our very Independence.

I'm optimistic. That's all I have at the moment. When he wins re-election, I have a hunch that he will turn up the fight and help us out.

A friend of mine participated in a campaign event (At a Very prominent Jewish Donor's House) last week that included dinner with Hogan here in Pikesville. He asked a similar question regarding G&S. Hogan responded in such a way that "discreetly mentioned" we're in a very blue state and approaching this "Hot Topic" in his first term would limit his long term ability (re-election loss?) to help this state.

I expect GREAT things to come in his second term that will make all of us proud.

I have no insight into what Hogan may or may not do over the next 4 years.

However: When (not if) Supreme Court hands down a decision in the next 4 years on the 2A, whom do you want in the .gov mansion - Hogan or Jealous? In the AG office? Given that Jealous is also proposing $20k in new taxes, its a no brainer.

rambling_one said:

Hmm, won’t load for me. Instead, a sales pitch for buying the rag.

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That and some paywalls are just javascript (code run by your own computer in the browser). If you use Chrome you can use a plugin called "quick javascript switcher" that lets you disable javascript for that page you are on. Also great for those sites with annoying video constantly running - it lets you get right to the text of the article.

the plugin-> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/quick-javascript-switcher/geddoclleiomckbhadiaipdggiiccfje

Hogan may not help us much, but bj will kill our gun rights.
Any vote for someone other than Hogan, is a vote for bj, and for much more gun rights restrictions.

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Voter turnout will be important.

https://www.marylandmatters.org/single-post/2018/07/17/Reading-the-Turnout-Tea-Leaves

Reading the Turnout Tea Leaves

July 17, 2018

Last month’s primary elections demonstrated Marylanders are not as energized as we have seen voters in many other states’ elections since President Trump took office. Over the past 18 months, there have been multiple special, statewide and legislative elections around the country in which Democrats have turned out at much higher rates than in previous elections in those districts -- not only in general elections but in primaries, too.



But in Maryland, enthusiasm and interest among Democratic Party voters appears tempered compared to Democratic turnout in other states. For example, in Virginia’s 2017 election, Democratic turnout was up “170 percent more than the last time there was a contested primary in 2009.” And in Texas earlier this year Democratic turnout increased 87 percent over 2014.



In Maryland’s Democratic gubernatorial primary, there were seven credible campaigns and nearly all had enough money to communicate, with varying degrees, to primary voters. The field of candidates had geographic, ethnic and gender balance. There was great expectation that turnout would be high, as each candidate should have well-engaged their supporters and appealed to voters. But to many, the turnout results last month were surprising and disappointing.



Jim Burton



In Maryland’s 2014 Democratic primary, with three viable candidates running, turnout was 24 percent. In the Republican primary in 2014, which included multiple credible candidates, turnout was also 24 percent. While 2018 final numbers, including absentee and provisional ballots, are not yet available, reports indicate a 20 percent turnout in the GOP primary and a 26 percent turnout for Democrats.



The dip in Republican turnout can be explained by the lack of a top-of-the-ticket primary; Gov. Larry Hogan ran unopposed and none of the Republicans running for U.S. Senate had the campaign funds to generate enthusiasm for that race.



To be fair, the Democrats in some Maryland jurisdictions did see a slight turnout increase from 2014, but statewide numbers did not significantly increase nor come anywhere near Virginia or Texas. The raw number vote difference between 2014 and 2018 among Democratic voters in the primary was 58,504.



In Rushern Baker’s home county, Prince George’s, turnout was up 31,426 votes from 2014, or an additional 6.5 percent. In Montgomery County, 25,118 more Democratic voters showed up to vote compared to 2014, a 4.7 percent increase. In both of these counties, there were high-profile Democratic primaries for county executive, which may have contributed to increased turnout, along with other local competitive races.



While the Democratic turnout was relatively low, anecdotal reports claim that many were different voters than the traditional Democratic primary voters. More than looking at the number of voters, close examination will need to be given to the age and ideology of the 2018 primary voters. If they are, indeed, newly engaged voters, this could be a huge problem for the Republican Party in November if the Democrats succeed in getting both their traditional and newly engaged voters out in November.



But on the other hand, from turnout data, Democrats who talk about a Blue Wave in Maryland appear to be improperly interpreting the tea leaves because there is no significant enthusiasm advantage among hard-core Democratic partisans. Maybe Democrats were not enthused by their options at the top of the ticket. Or could it be the broad appeal Gov. Hogan has with voters of all partisan stripes that kept too many voters home?



Likewise, the Republicans need to carefully scrutinize the primary results. Did voters stay home because of no top of the ticket primary? Or are Maryland GOP voters less united behind the party than it needs to be for a Hogan victory in the fall?



Both parties understand that the race is on to court and appeal to every single voter. Are the gubernatorial candidates too far left in their own party to appeal to traditional primary voters and bring them out in November for their own party’s candidate, or will we end up with low voter turnout in November? Which nominee can create broad appeal despite ideological difference with some of their party’s traditional voters?



Both Hogan and Ben Jealous have been strutting their messages, but who will better succeed at resonating with their party’s base while bringing in newly engaged voters? And who will better court the unaffiliated voters?



November is only a few months away and time will tell!



JIM BURTON



Jim Burton, a GOP pollster and strategist, is former executive director of the Maryland Republican Party.

ahphilip said:

The real problem is that the State Police are not here to “make” the laws, they are here to enforce and nothing more. Right now the police have the power to make and enforce laws on the spot, a proven path to abusing their power. They’ve been doing it for years,it isnot constitutionally sound.

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Totally incorrect. Take a look at the live fire requirement. The 4th branch of government is the administrative parts of the government that interpret the laws. Often, their interpretation has the power to affect your liberties in a very bad way, even if eventually found to be total B.S.

DC-W said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...749a0e-8b99-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html

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Because loading a firearm is SO HARD no 17 year old could ever figure out.

DC-W said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...749a0e-8b99-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html

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Politics with a capital 'P' ... as in

What should we expect from a Republican governor in a deep blue state to say to a gathering of students from Great Mills ? He's fighting for every vote while his Socialist DemocRAT opponent is making serious position errors. Let Jealous dig his own hole without jumping in it with him. And, Bezo's WaPo is no friend of 2A, so headlining this is par for the course.

I have proof that Hogan is on 'our side'. Just like Brown's ill-fated playground video, these 'gotcha' attempts to pigeon hole him on 2A will backfire.

Hold your nose if you need too, but vote this November ... and vote for Hogan. Much like the choice between voting for Trump or not voting at all in 2016, dissing Hogan is political suicide. We can 'mold' him once he's a lame duck ...

And don't get me started on the Attorney General election ...

DC-W said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...749a0e-8b99-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html

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“He told them he wasn’t expecting it and didn’t want it,” Hogan spokeswoman Amelia Chasse said of an NRA endorsement. “He doesn’t think the NRA are big fans of his at the moment.”

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Among their objectives, they want the Maryland legislature to toughen a state law that says a person may not store or leave a loaded firearm in a location where the person knows or should know that an unsupervised child younger than 16 can gain access to it.

The students want the law to cover those younger than 18.

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Hogan told the students that he would support the age change.

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Sigh. He might as well have whipped out his picture with MDA to show them. I know we need to support him for Governor in November, but he doesn't make it easy. He is fortunate that Jealous is doing the get-out-the-vote drive for Hogan. Do wonder if Hogan goes full Bloomberg (minus the money) or independent after the election. What would his answer have been if they asked to expand the semiautomatic rifle ban ...

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I really hate saying "I told you so"...

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Blah, blah, blah...

Go vote for the Demoncrat if you are so upset with Hogan. When the 2019 GA session is over and you are faced with surrendering your semi-automatic firearms tell us how bad Hogan was.

Pick the lesser of two evils when you only have two choices.

You think Hogan would prevent that?

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