HPRB July 29, 2019 Meeting Thread

Applehd · Jul 24, 2019

This thread will be used for discussion of the meeting of the HPRB on July 29, 2019.

DPSCS website link below. This link will be updated to reflect a change of meeting status or possible change of venue. Future meeting dates, time, and the location of the meeting is posted on the DPSCS HPRB website.

http://www.dpscs.state.md.us/agencies/hprb.shtml

As of July 8th, 2019 the Handgun Permit Review Board (HPRB) meets at The Fifth Regiment Armory, 219 29th Division Street, Baltimore, MD 21201. Meetings are scheduled to begin at 6:00 pm.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/J...d905d61852f161!8m2!3d39.3033845!4d-76.6215785

Stoveman · Jul 24, 2019

I just got my Magic 8 Ball out of the shop so let me give this a whirl 5 days out.

1. Judge Smails will treat most of the denials like it's marriage counseling between the applicant and the MSP.
2. The MoCo lawyer will pontificate about how he sympathizes with the applicants but they should take it up with the legislature, his hands are tied.
3. Judge Smails will mention either Snowden or Scherr at least 3 times.
4. At least one violation of the Open Meetings Act.

rbird7282 · Jul 24, 2019

Stoveman said:
I just got my Magic 8 Ball out of the shop so let me give this a whirl 5 days out.

1. Judge Smails will treat most of the denials like it's marriage counseling between the applicant and the MSP.
2. The MoCo lawyer will pontificate about how he sympathizes with the applicants but they should take it up with the legislature, his hands are tied.
3. Judge Smails will mention either Snowden or Scherr at least 3 times.
4. At least one violation of the Open Meetings Act.

I see your one violation of the OMA and raise you one lol

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Not_an_outlaw · Jul 25, 2019

Stoveman said:
I just got my Magic 8 Ball out of the shop so let me give this a whirl 5 days out.

1. Judge Smails will treat most of the denials like it's marriage counseling between the applicant and the MSP.
2. The MoCo lawyer will pontificate about how he sympathizes with the applicants but they should take it up with the legislature, his hands are tied.
3. Judge Smails will mention either Snowden or Scherr at least 3 times.
4. At least one violation of the Open Meetings Act.

5. Only 3 of the 5 appointed board members will be in attendance.

Stoveman · Jul 29, 2019

Morning wood bump.

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Deep Lurker · Jul 29, 2019

The Handgun Permit Review Board (HPRB) is required by Maryland law under the Open Meetings Act (OMA) to conduct its HEARINGS in public, and to make arrangements for the public to HEAR the proceedings as well as OBSERVE it.

Evidently, the new HPRB Chairman Fred Smalkin doesn’t want to obey Maryland law.

The public attending the HPRB HEARING cannot HEAR.

Whether attending in person, or straining to HEAR via a FB livestream (camera located in the audience seating, such as provided by the PATRIOT PICKET FB page) this lack of amplification necessary for the public to hear is a fundamental violation of the OMA.

Smalkin is evidently hostile to a genuine public hearing.

Smalkin ordered an independent videographer who attended the HPRB hearing to record it to remove his microphone from the Board’s table.

The HPRB administrator, in response to an email complaint about the inability to hear, doesn’t seem concerned about the OMA violation either.

She replied that the HPRB did not have amplification equipment, and would NOT be obtaining any to facilitate the public hearing their hearing.

The HPRB “hearings” were transferred by Smalkin to the new location: the 5th Regiment Armory in Baltimore.

It is a PUBLIC BUILDING, yet for some reason the Armory staff REFUSE to allow their amplification system to be used by the HPRB to facilitate the OMA.

Any guesses as to why the 5th REGIMENT ARMORY is refusing to cooperate in fully facilitating a PUBLIC HEARING, including the OMA-authorized recording of both the visual and audible aspects of the hearing?

Deep Lurker · Jul 29, 2019

I’ll offer a guess: Smalkin has told the 5th Regiment Armory staff to not assist the HPRB.

Smalkin, in his autobiographical Wikipedia entry, states;

“[Smalkin] was commissioned in the Maryland Military Department and later promoted to Brigadier General and appointed by the Governor as commander of the Maryland Defense Force (State Guard).

The MARYLAND DEFENSE FORCE is headquartered in the 5th Regiment Armory.

Although no longer the commanding officer of the Maryland Defense Force, does anyone think Smalkin doesn’t have some pull in that building?

Does anyone think that former Brigadier General Smalkin couldn’t get microphones and speakers in that room if he ASKED for them?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_N._Smalkin

welder516 · Jul 29, 2019

Smellkin is a problem child and is a prima-donna that wants the masses to cater to his whims . He is dangerous and a power hungry whore .

Deep Lurker · Jul 29, 2019

Smalkin would evidently have used his old Federal courtroom for the HPRB hearings but that was obviously not available, so Judge Smalkin brought his old gavel to the first HPRB meeting as a comfort item.

If Judge Smalkin could have used his old courtroom, the other two Board members that Smalkin permits to attend the 5-member HPRB hearings would have likely been seated at his court clerk’s desk, while Smalkin alone sat on the judge’s bench.

Instead of embracing his “citizen member” position on the HPRB, Smalkin immediately sought to assert his imagined magisterial authority by moving the HPRB hearings to a domain where he could enjoy that former sense of unquestioned command, and where he likely still could influence the building’s administrative process: the 5th Regiment Armory.

Thus no microphones for the Board members or the hearing witnesses.

Deep Lurker · Jul 29, 2019

It is kind of hilarious, and pathetic.

The 5th Regiment Armory is literally cited as an ”imposing” location:

“[The Armory] is an imposing, fortress-type structure situated in midtown Baltimore ... giving the appearance of a medieval fortification.”

Given the English Star Chamber character of the new HPRB, medieval works too. LOL

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Regiment_Armory

https://military.maryland.gov/Pages/FacLocation.aspx?fid=Fifth Regiment Armory

Stoveman · Jul 29, 2019

Some light reading about the HPRB before tonight's meeting, straight from the front page of the print edition of the Baltimore Birdcage Liner.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/politi...0190729-nij3qsl2bfhzfcd4di63c74phq-story.html

Some good quotes from Mark Pennak and from a Patriot Picket spokesman.

GTOGUNNER · Jul 29, 2019

I would come to the meeting but I would need an ASL interpreter.

hillbilly grandpa · Jul 29, 2019

The citizens should, collectively, move their seats up closer to the proceedings in order to be heard. Their position should be that they are assisting the chair in being in compliance with the regs. They are helping assure that the public can in fact be heard. The next move is the chair's. That would be a point where law is apparently on our side, and a stand would possibly provide some traction.

welder516 · Jul 29, 2019

Not sure what is being done to assure the Open Meetings Act is being followed , can a suit be filed or at least a complaint ?? The Judge needs to be shown an error in his ways .

Stoveman · Jul 29, 2019

What a complete shit show, the Judge's 3 person rule has bit him on the ass, one member didn't get the memo and there are only two members present.

F5guy · Jul 29, 2019

Stoveman said:
What a complete shit show, the Judge's 3 person rule has bit him on the ass, one member didn't get the memo and there are only two members present.

Who is the chair btw ?

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Occam · Jul 29, 2019

Are they holding these hearings in the Armory’s Orwell Room, or the Kafka Room?

Not_an_outlaw · Jul 29, 2019

I asked why all 5 members are not invited
Got a lame answer about summertime, being busy, and large backlog. That didn't seem to bother the previous board. They had offered to do more cases, but MSP said no.

Not_an_outlaw · Jul 29, 2019

Second the shit show comment. Another lawn chair Larry fiasco.

Stoveman · Jul 29, 2019

The vice chair Ballard actually proposed letting the third member listen in on speaker phone and vote via email. Apparently Paros is on his way so every applicant elected to wait until he got here to have their case heard.

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