80 Percent AR Registration?

BananaRunt · Dec 9, 2017

Hi Folks,

Introduction here: https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=5021591#post5021591

I posted this in the handgun section too in regards to an AR pistol...

New member here. I've searched for an answer to this question, but have been unsuccessful. I'm fairly new to MD also.

First, is "registering" the same as "77r"?

I want to build an HBAR AR from an 80% lower. I understand this should be ok according to what I've read on MSP site, but what about "registering"? It's a regulated firearm, right? I initially thought this shouldn't be required (registering) because the registration or 77r process is required for purchases, and I'm not purchasing, I'm building. But then I read new resident have to register their regulated firearms , so it seems registration extends beyond purchases and transfers. Does anyone have any guidance, and if so, can you link me to something official?

Also, if it does have to be registered, how do I do that? Again, the 77r seems to be for purchases, but after I finish the 80 percent and build into an HBAR AR, it will already be in my possession.

Thanks!

Inigoes · Dec 9, 2017

If you made it, you do not need to register it.

77R deals with a firearm transfer transaction.

whistlersmother · Dec 9, 2017

As a Maryland resident:

You may NOT manufacture a non-HBAR AR15 now - it is a banned firearm.

You MAY manufacture an HBAR AR15 now - it is not banned, is not regulated and hence, does NOT need to be registered.

So what makes an HBAR versus non-HBAR? No one knows except that MSP has said it must be advertised or described as HBAR. :sad20:

When you go to put an upper on it, make sure you have something that advertises or describes the upper as "HBAR".

IANAL, YMMV, IMHO, and other Internet disclaimers.

Edit: Handguns manufactured from 80% do NOT have to be registered. That would include the AR15 pistol manufactured from an 80%.

(If you're not a resident and intending to move into Maryland, it gets even more complicated...)

DaemonAssassin · Dec 9, 2017

Also the HBAR requirement only applies to 223/556. Alternate calibers like 300BLK, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 762x39, 224 Valkyrie, 22 Nosler, 277 Wolverine, 25-06, etc... do not need to abide by the HBAR requirement.

BananaRunt · Dec 10, 2017

Inigoes said:
If you made it, you do not need to register it.

77R deals with a firearm transfer transaction.

whistlersmother said:
As a Maryland resident:

You may NOT manufacture a non-HBAR AR15 now - it is a banned firearm.

You MAY manufacture an HBAR AR15 now - it is not banned, is not regulated and hence, does NOT need to be registered.

So what makes an HBAR versus non-HBAR? No one knows except that MSP has said it must be advertised or described as HBAR.

When you go to put an upper on it, make sure you have something that advertises or describes the upper as "HBAR".

IANAL, YMMV, IMHO, and other Internet disclaimers.

Edit: Handguns manufactured from 80% do NOT have to be registered. That would include the AR15 pistol manufactured from an 80%.

(If you're not a resident and intending to move into Maryland, it gets even more complicated...)

DaemonAssassin said:
Also the HBAR requirement only applies to 223/556. Alternate calibers like 300BLK, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 762x39, 224 Valkyrie, 22 Nosler, 277 Wolverine, 25-06, etc... do not need to abide by the HBAR requirement.

Thank you all very much for the info.

WhistlersMother, thank you very much for the info regarding 80% handguns. Do you have a link to something "official" that states this?

teratos · Dec 10, 2017

BananaRunt said:
Thank you all very much for the info.

WhistlersMother, thank you very much for the info regarding 80% handguns. Do you have a link to something "official" that states this?

There is no law passed that says you don't have to register. The important thing is that there is no law passed that says you DO have to register.
https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/receiver-blanks

whistlersmother · Dec 10, 2017

What teratos said.

Note, for other states, there may be registration requirements. Hawaii, for example, would require registration of the handgun at the state level. I think there is a brief window to do so after manufacture has been completed.

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Biggfoot44 · Dec 10, 2017

IF you had already built your pistol before moving to MD , it would need to be registered upon moving in , like any other pistol .

But as I understand your question, you are contemplating your build now , after having moved to Md . If so , no actions are required .

babalou · Dec 10, 2017

Prob already answered elsewhere but could not find. If you make an Ar pistol no registering. Do you need hql for it?

BananaRunt · Dec 10, 2017

babalou said:
Prob already answered elsewhere but could not find. If you make an Ar pistol no registering. Do you need hql for it?

I actually think I can help on this question:

See this link: http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document D...3 - Receivers of Banned Assault Long Guns.pdf

HQL only needed for handgun “purchases”

Additionally, the way I read the advisory, even if you start with a completed stripped lower (not an 80%) you would still not need the HQL.

hit3961 · Dec 10, 2017

BananaRunt said:
I actually think I can help on this question:

See this link: http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document D...3 - Receivers of Banned Assault Long Guns.pdf

HQL only needed for handgun “purchases”

Additionally, the way I read the advisory, even if you start with a completed stripped lower (not an 80%) you would still not need the HQL.

How does one prove or disprove it was purchased before 2013?

GTOGUNNER · Dec 10, 2017

hit3961 said:
How does one prove or disprove it was purchased before 2013?

The same way some one would try to prove it was after 2013. Who would bother doing that? No one.

Sent from the 3rd Rock

hit3961 · Dec 10, 2017

GTOGUNNER said:
The same way some one would try to prove it was after 2013. Who would bother doing that? No one.

Sent from the 3rd Rock

It they could prove it ,it could be a non hbar

hit3961 · Dec 10, 2017

GTOGUNNER said:
The same way some one would try to prove it was after 2013. Who would bother doing that? No one.

Sent from the 3rd Rock

If purchase before 2013 it can be an assault rifle but who would bother right!!!!

teratos · Dec 10, 2017

babalou said:
Prob already answered elsewhere but could not find. If you make an Ar pistol no registering. Do you need hql for it?

No HQL needed.

hit3961 said:
How does one prove or disprove it was purchased before 2013?

I would think the burden of proof would be on the prosecution. Who would have saved their receipt before 2013?

BradMacc82 · Dec 10, 2017

teratos said:
No HQL needed.

I would think the burden of proof would be on the prosecution. Who would have saved their receipt before 2013?

IIRC, the burden of proof is on the accused, under FSA2013.

hit3961 · Dec 10, 2017

teratos said:
No HQL needed.

I would think the burden of proof would be on the prosecution. Who would have saved their receipt before 2013?

Good thing I had mfg 2012 put on mine prior to the band .

teratos · Dec 10, 2017

BradMacc82 said:
IIRC, the burden of proof is on the accused, under FSA2013.

Innocent until proven guilty. All you would have is your word.

outrider58 · Dec 10, 2017

BradMacc82 said:
IIRC, the burden of proof is on the accused, under FSA2013.

Isn't that unconstitutional?

Threeband · Dec 10, 2017

teratos said:
... Who would have saved their receipt before 2013?

(Jumps up and waves hand

Oooh! Ooooh! Me! Me!

I have every gun receipt going back to the first Reagan administration.

I've got 4473s in cuneiform on clay tablets.

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